io9 has a good write-up on last night's episode

http://io9.com/5844553/why-this-years-doctor-who-finale-was-mostly-better-than-last-years

>>29673
>And the Silence have somehow determined that unless the Doctor dies by the lake in Utah, he will be forced to answer the question ("Doctor who?") in his future — on the fields of Trenzalore, at the "fall of the Eleventh," when nobody can speak falsely or refuse to answer.

Fall of the Eleventh? Sounds like the end of Matt Smith, no?

>>29674
That article did a much better job articulating why I'm so disappoint on the River plot and her "marriage" to the Doctor. Thanks for sharing.

With all the faults the latest episodes had, I cannot fault their look. Ever since 11 the series has been eye-candy: great use of colour, designs and even camera shots.

rather than just block out bits i'm going to spoiler my entire post the second i saw the tessalector aprt of me thought "oh boy a shapeshifting robot, i sure hope this isn't some kind of get out of death free card. then i groaned when it showed up again because i could guess what was coming. though tbqh i was completely thrown off when he left the bar.

i was actually worried the daleks would end up being the badguys /again/ since they haven't shown up this season. it was pretty cool how they did use them though.

also sadface when he tried to call the Brig

As much as I liked River, Amy, and Rory, I have to say I'm pretty glad we're most likely done with them. I think they're happy he's alive, but I'm hoping Amy understands that they have to "pretend" he's dead, and won't go chasing after him. I'm hoping for a new companion to start off what is probably Eleven's last season.

dat scene with the skull pit and Gartok

Gruesome Doctor Who death or Gruesomest Doctor Who death?

>>29681
Oh yeah, and someone said on /tv/ that it doesn't make sense because they can't eat anything without digestive systems. To which I said: 'well, that's not going to stop them from TRYING.'

>>29681
The effects ruined it for me. I wasn't loving it.

>>29683
They tried so hard not to make it look cheesy, but alas...

>>29684
It's Doctor Who... should cheesy effects REALLY have an impact on your enjoyment of it?

I mean, the number one villain of the universe is a species that uses a plunger and an egg whisk as death weapons.

>>29685
In their defense, it is one really dangerous egg whisk.

Honestly, I really hope they explain where the tessalector comes from in the new season. Maybe they did explain, if so I missed it.

>>29679
Nah, the daleks will comes back soon enough...That is to say, for the Twelfth Doctor!

I think, after we've mostly had a break from them in this series with only a few "minor villain" roles (not counting Victory of the Daleks, of course), I'd like another Dalek-centric episode next season. Just one! I mean, the cybermen came back for this season in a pretty neato way (old school cybermen!) I dunno, the RTD years did way overuse them, but I don't think Moffat's run is risking that yet.

i like how they aged the doctor. he was running through regenerations a little too quickly (in his time frame) for my liking. three years of being alive? TIME FOR A NEW BODY

>>29690
Regenerate into something with tits, spend most of first episode play with said tits and looking at ones ass in mirrors.

>>29690
9 and 10 especially kept dropping hints that the Doctor was doing things and growing older between episodes and when the audience didn't see him, and that he was older than he was telling people.

>>29685
>the number one villain of the universe is a species that uses a plunger and an egg whisk as death weapons.

nah, you see the most dangerous villain in the universe is actually much worse i mean it travels in a magical blue phone box for christs sake

>>29702
When will The Doctor finally save us from that megalomaniac?

>Wait more than one year for special where Doctor finally defeats his worst enemy
>Receive meh

The first question. The question that started this whole mess. The question The Fourth Doctor never actually answered, but just simply left be:
"Do I have the right?"
That question allowed the Daleks to survive, and his presence altered Davros of the existence of the Timelords, which began their plotting against them, which led to the last great Time War, which pitted two powerful races against each other, only to sear them both away from all existence. Mostly.

At the fall of the Eleventh, that question will be asked once more, and the subjects of the Silence, who treat the Doctor like a God, will see their Lord fall, and their faith shattered, as his last words answer the question:

"Yes."

The Master said that the Valeyard was somewhere between the 12th and his final regenerations. A sort of impossibility at the time, but now? Now it's could well be.

>>29700
Exactly. We have no idea what Ten was doing after he lost Donna. He could've had thousands of adventures.

Once again one of my favorite blog sites has made some great points on Doctor Who.

>She’s “married” to a man who has never really demonstrated any romantic feelings for her outside of the mildest of flirtations (and the wedding itself consisted of him barking orders at her to “do as she’s told” after yelling at her that she embarrassed him) and she’s fine with that? Amy’s fine with that? That doesn’t ring true on an emotional level at all.

http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2011/10/t-los-watching-doctor-who-terra-nova-homeland.html

>>29712
i hate to admit it, but this rings true for me. the doctor seems too cold, too judgmental. maybe it's because she's someone so close to him that he let's his darkness out, but there's no balance. no even hand. no forgiveness. what the hell, moffat? explain?!

>>29714
Man, we just had a conversation about Moffat and women last thread.

>>29714

Um, you guys know that it wasn't the doctor speaking right? The Doctor was hanging around in the eye waiting to get it over and done with. The Captain was talking during that time

>>29717
let me ponder this.

>>29717
ah! but i don't know exactly when the doctor isn't speaking through the tessalector and when he is. are there cues i've been missing? Also, the fact that the Silence aliens affect the entire Tessalector (or rather the Doctor makes it seem that way)... i don't know. it seems odd, but if there's anyone you need to fool, i suppose it would be the Silence.

>>29717
So, you're implying it was all the Captain of the Tessalector talking the entire time? How does that somehow make the relationship between the Doctor and River better? If anything, it is even worse than the original assessment.

>>29717
but wasn't it show in lets kill hitler that you can talk from anywhere?

i would think that the doctor was controlling the entire thing on his own from the eye VIA sonic dickery

>>29724
>sonic dickery

I feel like there is a way to use that in an image macro but my imagination is bupkiss today...

>>29712
The website makes a good point and may explain why I feel less satisfied with this season's finale compared the last season's. I can buy a robot being piloted by tiny men that can transform into any human being alive, or skulls devouring a man to death, but I just find it hard to believe that a couple would be okay with losing their child and rarely giving it a second thought afterward. I think this season's storyline was too ambitious for Steve Moffat. He wanted to tell a story with more risks at stake than previous Doctor Who stories, but didn't want to focus on the repercussions that comes with it. Perhaps it's due to the limitation of Doctor Who being a children's show that it couldn't be mature at times when it needed to be. I'm also bothered by the overwhelming love for the Doctor by people who are ultimately screwed because of him; too reminiscent of Russel T Daves' Doctor Who.

There were some great, fun episodes this season, but the story arc for this season was a step down from last season's and hindered the overall enjoyment factor of it. With the Doctor going into urban legend mode next season, I hope the stories will greatly improve because of it.

>>29729
So he is getting a new companion(s) right? I love who we've had now, but I'm quite alright if they're done with regular appearances. I guess I should know new ones are coming, but has there been any word of who might be playing the part?

>>29732
i believe at comiccon this year they confirmed that karen's back for another season, but to what extent, i'm not sure. if it's adventures and fun times with the entire pond family, i'd be totally stoked.

just a nice little romp through the universe without all the cataclysmic universe ending shenanigans.

>>29732
I'd love to see The Ponds-Williamses come back in a way that utilizes their individual talents and BAMFery, not just people there to keep the Doctor company.

Has anyone else here watched much of the classic series? I'm having a hard time finding reliable place to watch em'.

>>29749
spreese's house

>>29749
Have you tried Netflix Instant?

Tick Tock Goes The Clock (Troc…

>>29752
They don't have all of the stories I want to watch. I've been scouring for torrents/mediafires/etc. I just started Tom Baker's first story (robot), it's pretty neat.

Doctor Who Series 6 In 89 Seconds [HQ]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bbc-cuts-annual-budget-by-245026?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fnews+%28The+Ho
llywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29


Future of more repeat monsters and such?

>>29767
Fucking David Cameron.

What if Steven Moffat had written the episode so that the Doctor made it out of that mess, but he NEVER explained how it happened?

"But, you died!"

"No, I didn't."

"But, you were shot, twice, and your body was burned."

"I got better."

"But, h-how could you even esca-"

"Oh Come on, Dorian, you're hooked up to the web in that box, discuss it online for eternity. Maybe you'll figure it out~"

>>29795
But that would just build into the belief that he is now working to dispel.

Yesterday was 9/10/11.

Crap.

>>29674
Man, from what my friend told me it was quite the opposite she thought it was the worst finale than any other.

>>29813

No finale could possibly be worse than Journey's End. You could film a piece of dogshit for an hour and then air it with a censor bar over it, and it would still be a better finale than Journey's End.

>>29813
watch for yourself.
>>29815
love donna. hate finale.

>>29815
I didn't mind Journey's End. It felt a bit cheesy with EVERYBODY showing up and calling/praying to the Doctor. But there were also some great moments for the characters to shine. Plus, Doctor!Donna. I only wish we weren't ripped away from that so soon.

>>29817
Still waiting for 11 to use Donna like a Bomb or a Gun.

"Stand back, or I'm make her remember and we all get it."

"I DON'T KNOW WHO ANY OF YOU PEOPLE ARE!!!!"

"And if they want to stay alive...they'll let us walk out of here and keep it that way."

>>29818
That would be a dream come true, but since 11's new modus operandi is staying away from notoriety it won't happen. He'd have to get his enemies to "look me and Donna up" for them to understand what the threat even means.

>>29820
Well her just having an inkling of remembering causes her to have a psychic knockout blast. So maybe kidnapped by Unit or something that thinks she has abilities an can be a weapon then her subconscious goes into overdrive protection and the whole place turns into a mini Zone and unknown to the doctor he has to stop what is causing the massive energy spikes and telekinetic damage that threaten to bring the whole place down around their heads.

Last part being wishful thinking

Facility allows him to bleed off the excess energy and allows Donna to remember without killing her and we get Donna back aboard for a bit.

Man, in comparison to the end of season 3, I fucking love Journey's End. Okay yeah a little cheesy but as mentioned before CATHERINE TATE WAS AMAZING. her impression of David Tennant's doctor was almost disgustingly brilliant. She hit the high notes his voice shifted to and everything.

meanwhile season 3 had jesus doctor that COMPLETELY overshadowed how fucking great John Simms is as the master. I mean, I have a high tolerance for bullshit in a show like Doctor Who i like davies i kinda have to but that was just a whole new level of mind numbing stupid.

http://blogs.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2011/10/11/doctor-whos-day-roundup-greys-anatomy-criminal-minds-reference-the-doctor-video/

>>29826
I loved Journey's End. So many great character moments there and dammit, I want Donna back. Why give us something as awesome as Doctor Donna and just toss it? It's mean, is what it is haha

Series 3's finale had a great build up, I mean fantastic, and just shit all over it with the whole Doctor Jesus thing.

I'll be honest, I would stab a man in the lung to get an Eleven/Donna season. They would play SO WELL off of each other. Eleven's all about doing the completely impossible, if anyone can find a way past Donna burning up, it's him.

As for Journey's End, yeah it was cheesy, but it was the GOOD kind of cheesy. The kind where you cheer because OH GOSH LOOK AT ALL THE DOCTOR'S COMPANIONS ALL COMING TOGETHER! FIGHTING AGAINST HIS GREATEST FOE! It was like that Power Rangers episode, "Once a Ranger".

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1086090/steven_moffat_on_the_future_of_doctor_who.html

>Firstly, he’s confirmed that Amy and Rory aren’t in this year’s Christmas special, although they will be back in the next series.
...
Yeah, I guess I'd be up for another Amy/Rory season...

>It was like that Power Rangers episode, "Once a Ranger".
You misspelled Forever Red.

>>29834
what i loved
paradox machine
doctor/master interplay
martha being kinda badass
world wide threat with great build up

hated: actual solution. could have just given doctor enough psychic energy that he could convert into regeneration energy to bring down his age and fire off extra energy to escape... not float around and have special fanfic powers.

So I just saw the season final, I hadn't watched since Tennant's second season. It was fun, it got me interested again.

Have they ever given a reason for so many humanoids in the Universe?

>>29866
"But you look human!"
"No, you look Time Lord, we were around first"

I think that is the best we got to my knowledge.

I still love Star Trek for actually dealing with this.

Star Trek The Next Generation…

>>29867
Oh I so hope Transformers Prime goes into this territory to explain things. Heck the Spawn of Unicron thing is already awesome.

Doctor Who will be something along the lines of.
A.Timelords of the past like to conduct experiments on far away planets but were very sloppy on cleaning up..just chucked everything into the nearest viscous pool when they were done.
B. Tardis travel was dangerous in the early eons and..things happened to those early explorers (mutations or whatever)

Or likely he'll just look shifty for a bit then dodge the question.

>>29868
"Even Time Lords get lonely....plus timey wimey...well, you know how it goes!"

One thing I kind of find amusing in the show is how he'll occasionally be facing an enemy, have no weapons, no way out and say something along the lines of "You know me, I'm the Doctor. Think of all the things I've done. Are you sure you want to do this?" Then there will be a pause, and the enemy will back off.

Ive finished "Touched By an Angel" and I'm half way through " Borrowed Time", they're both awesome.

>>29940
as a nice way of maintaining that bluff, he'll say the same thing to his enemies even if he does have a plan. he just wants to maintain the peace and not have to kill anyone in the process... including himself and his companions.

Why does the Master have super powers and the Doctor doesn't?

>>29946
A:
>implying he doesn't

B:
if you're refering to the special, i assume its something to do with how he was ressurected

>>29946
Doc has telepathy, no? See "pre-revolutionary France on a space ship" & The Lodger.

>>29950
wait how does that first episode show his psychic powers.

and also he can smell all kinds of crazy shit like rift energy and taste what planet somethings from

>>29954
The Girl Who Waited had a scene of the Doctor using basically a vulcan mindmeld on Reinette to view her memories, and then she viewed his.

>>29956
*in the fireplace

>>29959
OH WOW. I has a dumb today.

plus i mean you know there's that whole being able to purge radiation/poisons from his body and stuff.

>>29949
>if you're refering to the special, i assume its something to do with how he was resurrected
That's what I was talking about. Just the electricity and jumping far.

>>29966
Yeah, that had something to do with the special resurrection business, and came with the price of ALWAYS HUNGRY ALL THE TIME.

>>29979
Aaaand now I'll never be able to NOT associate the Doctor with Katy Perry's E.T.

>>29982
aaaaaaaaaah shit why did you point that out, i'd never have made the association

>>29982
........SON OF A BITCH

>>29982
>>29986
>>29988
I have no idea what Dent is talking about. Does this mean I win?

>>29989
Allow me to educate you!

Katy Perry E.T. Lyrics

It's too late.

It's far far too late.

Doctor Who - Amy/Doctor - Katy Perry: E.T.

And it isn't even well done, seriously I could edit video better than this when I was 12! Maybe I should just fix it a littl-NO I SHALL NOT BECOME THE DARKNESS!

>>29992
do it faggot

>>29990
>No computer
>Stuck browsing on DSi
>Can't view videos
>My love shan't be tarnished
I AM THE VICTOR.

http://www.themarysue.com/peter-davison-doctor-who-anniversary/

>>30012

Eh he's going to kinda have that anyway if his daughters marriage goes as planned.

>>30012
He does have a point, they're all getting pretty old... At least he's not OPPOSED to the idea.

>>30012
Man, what I would do to have McCoy AND/OR McGann back. I think McCoy and Smith would be a fantastic team-up. I honestly don't see Eccleston coming back, which is a shame. And I'll take any hint of Tennant coming back. That man is brilliant.

>>30025
I'd love to see McGann on screen with a decent script. I'm devouring his audio-plays atm, and he's wonderful. Though his manner of speech/voice reminds me of Beelbebrox sometimes, oddly enough.

>>30026
I've really been meaning to get into those. I'm burning through the Eccleston/Tennant/Smith books at the moment. Got any suggestions as to where to start and what some great ones are?

>>30030
We can trade information. I'm curious about the books. I read two but I'm not sure if I would spend my money on more since they're such quick reads.

So far, I've only listened to what I could get my hands on but I enjoyed all of it. First I did Shada, which is good but a bit jarring if you've read Dirk Gently. I also liked The Stones of Venice and The Company of Friends (which is what that illustration is from). That last one also introduces Mary Shelley as a companion.

>>30031
Being around $8 a piece on Amazon, it's a fair price, in my opinion. My 4th is on the way now. I'd DEFINITELY recommend "Touch By an Angel". A seriously good page-turner. "Borrowed Time" is full of wibbly wobbly timey-wimey goodness. I've got "Nuclear Time" on the way now, and I'm hunting for "Beautiful Chaos".

>Company of Friends
>Mary Shelley as a companion.
SOLD. I've gotta track that down. Is it a full audio play? Or just a reading of a book, like "Pyramids of Mars"?

Double post but who cares did anyone else see this why am I just now seeing it I am excite

>>30032
Shipping, man. I often have to pay more for shipping than for the books. But I try to pick them up when I'm in the UK. Nuclear time I have, and enjoyed as I probably mentioned in this thread before.

Full fledged audio play! Kinda sad how 11 hasn't got one of those yet, btw. And Company of Friends is a collection with 4 different stories, one of which is the Mary Shelley one, which is called "Mary's Story". The other audio she stars in is called "The Silver Turk" but I haven't listened to it yet.

>>30026
McGann would probably be the easiest Doctor to justify bringing back- He doesn't have to look like he did on the show, no matter how long ago that was, because we never saw him die. And he spent a good portion of his life fighting in a Time War that could easily handwave away any paradoxes.

And there was this picture.

>>30038
This picture pleases me. Why was it taken??

>>30039
It was McGann's proposal for a new look for the eighth Doctor. Unofficial, but very cool.

>>30038
I personally don't really like a sleek Doctor look. I love 9, but his costume is boring compared to the others'.