I watched the last 40 minutes of the first one, where he starts shooting muggers. I found it pretty interesting how the movie focused more on people's reactions to a vigilante.

I've toyed with the idea of watching the rest of the movie/the other films, but I've heard there're some pretty graphic rape scenes so... yeah.

I think I know what you liked best, Tiki... it was the references to westerns, wasn't it?

>>27979
>I've toyed with the idea of watching the rest of the movie/the other films, but I've heard there're some pretty graphic rape scenes so... yeah.

In the second movie they so graphically rape his Daughter to the point that her already rape destroyed mind can't process the situation and in one of the most soul rending, heart crush, tear welling, turn you into an emotional black hole of all time scenes, the 30 year old woman Childish cries and runs clear through a plate glass window to plunge to her death.

The performance of Bronson is incredible, he's so brokenly calm as he goes about murdering them, not over the top or ridiculous, just calculated murder to the point it becomes clear he's removing these people from the earth because he ideologically believes they cannot be allowed to exist.

It's incredible, the references are nice.

I'm hesitant to call them "revenge" movies because of how his initial motivation gets dropped after the first half of the first movie.

Vengeance Trilogy p gud imo

Hobo With A Shotgun > Erry Bronson movie

>>27984
Lies. The Great Escape, meng.

>>27984
As much as I love that movie, you are INCORRECT.

>>27981
I'm down with either.

>>27985
I got a 3 CD deluxe edition of the soundtrack to that.

>>27985
Also Magnificent Seven.

>>27994
also Once Upon a Time in the West, The Mechanic, Mr. Majestyk and my fathers favorite Hard Times

THE MECHANIC - Charles Bronson Visits A Girl
Mr. Majestyk Resolves A Labor Dispute
Hard Times fight 1 - Bronson vs Tessier

>>27998
All so fucking AMAZING.

-Taken
-Law abiding citizen
-Punisher: warzone
-Man on fire
-Harry Brown
-Payback
-..........Batman

Enjoy your self-justice movies.

>>28012

Law Abiding Citizen was fantastic up til the last 15 minutes. I know all revenge movies have to have that "but it doesn't bring back your loved ones" shenanigan, but it seriously ruined the whole thing.

>>28017
At least this happened because of it: Team Fortress 2 - Law Abiding Engineer

>>28017
Well they wouldn't want to inspire people to go vigilante.

>>28064

Yeah, but the route they took instead wasn't morally-defined, either.

Tricking the anti-hero at the last minute into his own demise doesn't discourage the hour and a half spree kill he just went on, it encourages not getting tricked after going on an hour and a half spree kill.

Ugh, every time I see this scene I get a lump in my throat.

REAL ACTING.

>>28012
No Dead Man's Shoes? That was a pretty damn good revenge flick.

Also, Punisher: War Zone isn't really a revenge film. The 2004 Punisher was, though.

law abiding citizen killing

I hear from alot of people that they didn't like law abiding citizen, but even if it was contrived i still enjoyed it alot. No one gets revenge quite like Gerald Butler.

>>28129
indeed, I love it. I love it when they have a twist where the dude was screwed over and then he embarks on a crusade to destroy the whole fucking thing. Are they good or evil..doesn't matter..we'll sort that out after they learn not to fuck with people. Oh I think I just came upon a storyline for another novel series.

>>28137
Quite, I found it a really entertaining movie after watching it cause Butler isn't playing a hero or a villain, he's playing a man driven to extremes and strives for justice.

Also the way he details his plans on the man in the video, ugh it makes me squirm just thinking about it.

Law Abiding Citizen was one of those movies where I watched it once, I enjoyed it while it lasted, but I will probably never feel the urge to watch it again.

Bronson was the man.

Charles Bronson - The Evil That Men Do
I was making a sandwich.

But, is it just me, or does Death Wish 3 seem like one, long, violent way of saying "IF YOU'RE UNDER THE AGE OF 45 SHUT THE FUCK UP?"

>>28189
>But, is it just me, or does Death Wish 3 seem like one, long, violent way of saying "IF YOU'RE UNDER THE AGE OF 45 SHUT THE FUCK UP?"

It could be seen like that, but I don't think so.

Death Wish 3 - "they killed the giggler!"

This and Dirty Harry.

>>28189
OH GOD THE EVIL THAT MEN DO, HOLY GOD HAVE MERCY

THAT ENDING

>>28189
Death wish and law abiding citizen always made me think about the people who would just starting killing each other in the streets over groceries and the MARTIAL FUCKING LAW that always is put into place. Like the directors think it’s almost a good thing to be done with how little noise they make in movies. And the "heroes" of law abiding citizen in particular are real fucking dicks with how that smug Jamie Foxx fucks this guy over a law deal and then has the goddamn self-absorption to feel justified into breaking into his base to bust him. He’s a fucking prosecutor; he isn’t even an active agent of the law. No he shouldn't be allowed to even think of using violence in a case.

>>29219
I don't think you should have included Death Wish in this at all.

The thugs in the original Death Wish just saw a crime of opportunity, Kersey's wife and Daughter were wealthy, attractive and unlike what you indicated the murder of Paul Kersey's wife happens in her own apartment, the thugs even mention they weren't trying to kill Mrs. Kersey, they were just hitting her for the sake of feeling like they were powerful, that's why they were raping Paul's daughter in the first place and what the act of that rape was about. Same deal with 2 after Kersey humiliates a separate group of thugs who attack him, they kill and rape his maid and daughter as an act of power.

One of the most striking things about Death Wish is that he never finds them, the original thugs....They get away, the people who start him down this path he has no way of knowing or killing.

As for the "Heroes" as you say in Death Wish, they really are just that, In all Death Wish movies the various agencies realize their own legal impotency and allow Kersey to operate, in 3 under direct support from the Chief Of Police, who even helps him in the final shoot out.

For the most part Kersey's actions are either ignored or discretely endorsed by law enforcement and the people he saves are quick to come to his defense.

Kersey's growth as a Vigilante can be seen as having reached it's peak in the second movie where he no longer kills in the streets, preferring to tail his targets until they reach seclusion and he does not fuck around.

DeathWish

Ochoa the detective from the first movie even meets his end helping Kersey fight off a mob of drug deal tell him to kill the last man responsible for his Daughter's Death "Get that son off a bitch, go! Oh..oh father lord god thou art in heaven....."

Martial Law only occurs in the third movie, but as a result of a violent street gang trying to take back their territory from the people who've started to strike out against them.

That's the theme of Death Wish, these people can only do this to us as long as we allow them to get away with it, that's why they told the story of the Hat Pin woman defending herself against robbers with a simple hair pin, or really any of the news reports in the series.

So yeah, I think you just meant Law Abiding Citizen.

>>29222
With that last part yes, Death wish was just me wondering about the martial law that would naturally happen if people started killing random thugs and they likely retaliated. They save it for the first movie but they don't exactly show how terrible it can really be and why the united states never really wants to show the public what that would be like.

>>29235
Not really sure what you are trying to say.

10 to Midnight

HOLY FUCK

>>29377
That I only really began to hate characters in these sorts of movies until after the late 80s; Before then they were just dicks, after that they became something worse that didn't have the charm of people like Bronston put into his tough guy characters. I don't even know if I'm just being a snob or not at this point.

Violent City aka The Family - …

>>29378
>That I only really began to hate characters in these sorts of movies until after the late 80s; Before then they were just dicks, after that they became something worse that didn't have the charm of people like Bronston put into his tough guy characters. I don't even know if I'm just being a snob or not at this point.

No, no, I can certainly understand that.

>>27978
Just saw the first one. Shit was great

>yfw one of the punks raping the daughter and maid in Death Wish (second movie?) was none other than Jeff Goldblume.

>>30380
(yes it was 2)

These movies just make me feel uncomfortable to be honest.

>>30383
Yeah. this. Maybe it's because I'm not an American. Power fantasies about self-administered justice just don't sit right with me.

>>30385
I'm American and these movies also disturb me. It's just not for everyone.

>>30385
Clearly this has everything to do with MURRIKA and not that they're movies about rape, murder, and nut-crushing, all depicted with glee, and not the campy, Schwarzenegger kind of gleeful violence either.

>>30380
Pretty sure Jeff Godlblum was in one. It was like his first movie.

Jeff Goldblum in Death Wish (1974)

>>30394
Just rewatching, you are right.

>>30391
>all depicted with glee

It is impossible to be more incorrect than you are right now.

Just watched this. Does it count as a vengeance movie?

I also recommend "Old Boy", personally the best Korean movie ever made, even though revenge is the theme, there's so much more to that, the ending alone is priceless.

>>30411
THAT FUCKING MOVIE AASD:GNADNA:DKN

Not Old Boy, I've never seen that, I'm talking about that... THING in your picture.

>>30411
It was entertaining and very pretty. Guy Pearce felt a little excessive. Honestly I think I may have liked this better than the novel

>>30418
Shut your face

>>30394
I'm sorry, are you replying like I asked a question? Because it was a statement, not a query.

>>27981
Alright Ninja, I think I can correctly identify this all now.

Death Wish is a Vengeance movie.

Death Wish 2 is a Revenge movie.

Death Wish 3 is a Vengeance movie.

Death Wish 4 is a Vengeance movie.

Death Wish 5 is a Revenge movie.

>>30429
why don't you come here and make me!

>>30391
No, it’s a specific kind of America. The Ronald Regan Rightwing Hollywood of the 80s that had films like Cobra or Robocop that were filled with an open love of punishing the "horrible filth" of society, or if not their own people, then enacting a power fantasy involving the revived open hatred of communists and/or terrorists like in the remake of Invasion USA.

Cobra U.S. Film Trailer Stallone
Invasion U.S.A.(1985)

Senseless and flagrant killing which is morally correct when the hero does it because he is the good guy and this is how we should clean up crime/our country/the world of all of its evils.

>>30576
Again, though that's true of some of the movies, it's not for Death Wish which is actually a product of the 60's, filmed in the 70's and ending in the late 80's.

Also, I like that you mention Robocop, because it's the ANTITHESIS of what you are talking about, it's like saying Toxic Avenger is a Ronald Reagan era America film.

HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED THE POINT OF HALF OF THESE MOVIES IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATIONS ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS WHO CREATE AND THEN SUPPORT THE "SCUM" THUS BEING WORSE?

THE HOLLYWOOD 80'S BAD GUY WAS ALWAYS THE GOVERNMENT OR CORPORATIONS, which is something it'd be nice if Hollywood would remember, especially since it's truer now then it was in the 80's.

>>30579

Won't happen with the current Hollywood that sees government as the way to make Hollywood the mouthpiece of culture through censorship of all other voices.

>>30579
The senseless violent gangs were still a big part of robocop reguardless of it being pure cyberpunk at heart. If you looked at the movies I specifically showed you'd see that the only time government is mentioned in them, it is inefectual "liberal" government and in these the bad guys are terrorists, commies or just gangs. I never included Deathwish, I was specifically talking about a popular form of action movies in the 80s.

It wasn't all of Hollywood but it was being used as the same political mouthpiece it's been after J. Edgar Hoover. It’s the reason why you'd see Rambo 3 and strangely James Bond in the Afghan Soviet War. As much as there was CORPERATIONS ARE EVIL in some films there was also LIBERALS HAVE MADE US WEAK, LETS JUST SHOOT BAD PEOPLE in others and its hard to tell some times if a film made then was ever really on one side of this spectrum.

>>30587
Protect IP Act (SOPA) is Inter…

states that case pretty well.

HOLY CRAP DIRTY HARRY MOVIES, they are way better than I remember.

>>30841
Personally I thought The Enforcer was the worst of the bunch, and I have mixed feelings about Sudden Impact.

>>30850
The Enforcer was indeed the worst, which is a shame considering the promising opening.

I disagree on Sudden Impact though, I think it might actually be my favorite of the sequels.

First Blood all up in this bitch Goddamn.

>>30929
The movie that turned John Rambo from a tragic villain into a hero because people liked the Vietnam vet that killed cops angle. The other films are more of a revenge movie against communists but I guess the first one counts as one against his own country if you look at it hard enough.

>>30972
He only killed one cop though. With a rock, nonetheless. He just brutally crippled some others to my recollection.

It's funny though, because if the Korean War vet cop had taken John somewhere for a bite to eat instead of antagonizing him because he was in Nam, John probably wouldn't have flipped his shit.

>>30986
People really didn't treat Vietnam vets with the same respect that WWII and Korea vets got, or Gulf war and Iraq vets get today.

It took a lot of searching, but I actually found a female revenge movie that wasn't "Lame excuse to show rape and murder like a porno"

I AM LOOKING AT YOU I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE!

Anyway, Ms. 45 is an INCREDIBLE movie.

Ms. 45 ( Angel of Vengeance ) …

>>31923
Hey! I watched that for a class a couple of months ago. Holy fuck that was a hell of a trip.

End of contest.
Where's my fucking sequel???