In case ANY OF YOU were feeling like you'd miss Bleach, here is a brief summary of the newest chapter.

THEY ARE GOING BACK TO NEGATIVE MEXICO.

AND THE BAD GUYS EVIL PLOT?

STEAL ICHIGO'S PLOT HAX.

Just tell me when Rukia shows up again.

Man, that nonsense about Vice Captain Westaboo...

Geez, I know that once in a while I talk about using Bleach as a primer on how not to write, but, wow. I can't think of a more flagrant, unironic, violation of Show, Don't Tell. Like, at all.

>>73241
Yeah, and it's a shame too because he actually sounded pretty cool.

Ah, so that was just a wonky translation earlier.
He didn't mean that they can bankai, he meant that they can anti-bankai.

>>73242
HAhaha so this jobber used his bankai for the first time ever, his first proper fight, and died? Did they at least show you his Bankai? If not I'm going to laugh even harder.

>>73244

We never even saw the fight itself. So no.

>>73245
Oh Lordy!

Bankai's really don't mean shit.
And I guess this way, with enemies who have learned to defeat them with a special technique, Kubo doesn't have to strain himself coming up with ideas for designing any that he hasn't shown yet.

>last arc of Bleach is about rescuing dodonchakka

15/10 Kubo.

I'm kind of annoyed that the character I liked the most because I always assumed he was hiding some kind of awesome power turned out to actually be doing so, but in Bleach tradition, happened to fight someone with the exact counter to said powers and now he's dead.

Also that we didn't get to see any of that happen.

Oh god.

Is this last arc gonna be an allegory on nazis.

Are the hollows getting walked gonna get thrown in an oven.

>>73255

I think you're giving Kubo waaaaay to much credit. This arc will be the same as the Mexico arc except with slightly different looking characters wearing different clothes. Honestly the only reason I'm still reading this is to see what the token huge boobed spirit German girl will look like.

The important thing is that we've established that only Ichigo can save the day.

>>73274
they steal bankai, meaning that gimmic can be countered by :
- Ichigo plotkai
- Kempachi (who said Captains have bankai? here are my secret 2 hands technique!)
- yuroichi, who is also pretty competent without her sword
- Many Jidou users, like Rukia
- Mayuri
- orihime, chad
- some espadas
- Ishida of course that is SO lying about not coming to help and just appear in crisis to save the day.

that's not even counting urahara's haxx gadgets and lots of "lol cool story bro but my bankai is shit (komamura)/can still kill its user (shinsoui)


really that bankai stealing stuff is weak as fuck.

>>73293
is yamamoto also invloved int that ichigo plotkai

>>73293
and vice captains arent as good with kido as captains and rukia was ranked highest in the academy

and the only captains that use kido with any skill are Byakuya Yamamoto Soifon Yoruichi in there special way urahara tessai

Ichigo is such a worthless main character, he doesn't really deserve to be the MC except for the reason he happens to be immune to whatever ability it is the most recent enemy boss uses that stops other people from beaitng them and/or that because his main character chakra can do anything that should be impossible the new enemy wants to use it to complete thier plot. Every time.

>>73335
>everything is impossible since its all made up

Look, I know it's easy to think this way, but it's not accurate and is an excuse for bad writing.

Writing is a skill okay? You are establishing a world in which the reader is immersed, like does gravity work on this? if it doesn't how does that affect the character? architecture? etc

It's stuff that factors, you need to think about it or you risk demolishing the value of what you've already established.

Bleach had a LOT of potential and an interesting setting filed with robust characters we were dying to see more of, hell starting out it even had good art.

As it went on Ichigo's universe shattering abilities, ridiculous screen time and the rest of the cast jobbing in a poor attempt at building up threats for Ichigo slowly wrangle the potential out of the series by the neck.

Ichigo was actually a great character, his personality got ripped away too with his constant fluttering from battle to battle to be THE MOST POWER, "MAIN CHARACTER" became his description.

Do you understand what I mean? You establish a Universe and then contradict and break your own rules.

It's "just fiction" excuses hurt all fiction that comes out because it gives excuses, it's lazy, sloppy writing.

A bad character doesn't make a story bad.

>>73337
It can actually.

Especially if that bad character is the predominate focus of the story and capable of contradicting the rules of that universe for no particular reason.

so far there's not rules that was "contradicted". just stupid fan's assumptions proven wrong and ships that don't go in their way.

>>73344
Care to explain to me why Ichigo can do any of the things he does?

Or what he is?

>>73355

He is the main character in a shounen manga. He has the power of Main Character In a Shounen Manga.

That's basically it.

>>73355
he's a hero? you sound so very dense.

>>73356
>>73360

And that's shitty writing. Which is what Tiki is saying.

>>73344
Why did you bring up shipping for no reason? You get pretty random when you get your bleach-defense-force on.
And are you typing without capitals to make your posts more easily identified or what?

>>73363

Are you serious? Worfing is Chad's entire reason for being at this point.

>>73370
Thats the truth, and Ishida was pretty fucking worfed in the Fullbringer arc as well, we can only pray he gets a better showing when going up against his own kind.

>>73361
it's genre. holy shit you are, indeed, fucking dense.

>>73377
Being of a specific genre is no excuse for being totally shitty.

>>73377
No, it's bad writing, the genre has nothing to do with it.

Like, okay, we'll use JJBA:SO as an example.

The main character is Jolyne, her ability is to turn to string, she has to use this to figure out a way of winning her fights, she goes up against a foe who has an extremely powerful ability, he controls gravity and a single punch from him will turn you inside out, after having both her arm and leg turned inside out she tricks him into punching both again and using her string ability to stitch her wounds.

Using what she is and her opponents own strength against him, it's quick thinking, not just "I AM A MAIN CHARACTER, I AM NOW STRONGER BECAUSE TIME HAS PASSED" which is what happens with Ichigo.

>>73380
But forget even that great example of quick thinking, later she is struck by the same attack in what should be a fatal area, using her established ability and an incredibly clever idea she survives by turning into a mobius strip, thus being the one person immune to his seemingly invincible ability.

The main character with an ability which is seemingly much less useful comparatively is given an advantage by the seemingly weaker ability without the need for a power up.

It's terrible writing to just go "the main character is the main character and therefore stronger than everyone" ESPECIALLY IF YOU GIVE NO REASON FOR IT.

>>73376
>not really he has only been used that way once and that was when nnoitra showed up hardly enough to say thats his trope

Soul Society arc. Chad beats up some completely forgettable cannon-fodder. Ichigo goes on in his mental monologue about how awesoem Chad is and how he totally doesn't have to worry about him. Then Kyouraku makes Chad his bitch and Ichigo goes HOLY SHIT THESE CAPTAINS ARE REALLY FUCKING STRONG

Arrancar first appear. Chad's on the scene. He gets taken out in one hit, prompting the reader and basically every character in the area to go HOLY FUCK THESE ARRENCAR ARE REALLY FUCKING STRONG.

Hueco Mundo arc. Chad impresses Ichigo with his newly unlocked powahs. He then gets a new powerup on top of this. He is then, pretty much IMMEDIATELY, one-shotted by Nnoitra so that Nnoitra will seem like something other than the lamest villain Kubo has ever designed.

What other fights has he even had that weren't against cannon fodder? And before you say it, no, the dude with the afro that he unlocked his left arm to fight is nothing more than cannon fodder. That whole series of fights was entirely without consequence. Every fucking arc since SS, he's either taken out by the villain to make the villain look big and tough, or he's a complete non-factor.

>>73380

JJBA isn't really a shounen to begin with.

Then again, having the hero do heroic things via being randomly better than everyone else around him crosses just about every genre line there is. Otherwise, as the thinking goes, that person wouldn't be the hero if he were just an Average Joe. He's practically required to break the rules to save the day.

>>73388
That's not very true. Many heroes will often break a rule or two as a part of their character, but just many are able to special without doing so, and many heroes HAVE been Average Joes. The hero only winning and being relevant through asspulls is not as common as you'd think.

>>73389

The hero being better just because is what I meant. "Asspulls" are something else entirely, and I attribute them mostly to series which run on for FAR too long, after their creator has completely run out of ideas and — by that point — hasn't planned a thing and is just storylining by the seat of his pants.

>>73388
A-ha! JJBA was a Shonen at the time, it's not until Steel Ball Run it makes the jump (har har) to senien.

Main character and hero are not the same thing, but lets not open that can of worms.

>being randomly better than everyone else around him crosses just about every genre line there is.

And it's always got either a reason ( trained, gained an ability, etc)

or it's bad writing.

Lets follow the "well he picks up abilities" tree, how? there is no goddamn reason for his abilities outside of his original Soul Reaper status and Martial Arts, you could argue for Vizard but everything else makes no sense which culminates in his being a higher dimensional being.

Shits not good writing.

>>73392
your posts are bad writing. you have 0 argument, you just yap "hurr bad writing it's shit because bad writing it's shit". you have a weak circular argumentation and nothing else

>>73403
Tiki, troll.

>>73392

I truth, I have not read/watched Bleach since about halfway through the Soul Society arc... so I don't know what's been going on besides a bunch of ridiculous asspulls.

But asspulls are a MAINSTAY of a lot of long-running works in many genres, particularly shounen (and American comics, too). You can't expect them not to happen. It could be called "bad writing", but then again, it's not any WORSE than anyone else in the business. Oda, Kishimoto, Toriyama, Togashi... they all come up with random plot-solving things every-so-often. Some of them are better-explained than others, but in the end they remain "twist" style developments that are supposed to take the reader by surprise by being completely unprecedented.

Especially with shounen, it literally does not matter how powerful and amazing the big-bad for any particular arc is; he will always end up looking like fodder in front of the guy in the next arc. The heroes, consequently, will have to gain even more power to get to that next level. Unfortunately, usually they've reached the acme of whatever power they currently have, so the only way to cope with the new villian is a "transformation" of some kind. By nature, this will be an asspull, and it's usually an asspull in-universe, too: "What do you mean there is a level BEYOND the beyond a Super Saiyan?!" that takes the other characters by surprise, too. It's supposed to be read as an indication that there are powers and worlds far beyond what the (usually preteen/teen) protagonists have been led to believe, and showing that they're still small-fry in the grand scheme of things, with much growing left to do before they mature.

I mean, it's not like this kind of thing doesn't happen in real life. If a child likes cake and ice cream, and one day when he's ten his parents spring ice-cream-cake on him... it'll blow his little mind. He never could have imagined that such a thing existed, so it may as well have been pulled out his parents' ass; this despite that ice-cream-cake existed in the world for long before he was born.

So in this case, the "asspull" — and magic powers for the hero which comes out of nowhere, enabling him to defeat the new villain — comes from a combination of many factors, some of them similar to real-life, and some of them due to the nature of the genre. Every author uses them from time-to-time, so it's erroneous to fault the writing of one just because he does it, too.

This argument is a level BEYOND not worth having.

You could call it...

Not Worth Having 2.

>>73418
Electric Boogaloo

So the last arc is gonna be a tournament arc about rescuing Dondochakka.

Oh Kubo.

>>73421
I saw the word "tournament" used only once, and in context it was just going to be how they picked which hollows wouldn't be stabbed to death right then.

>>73444

AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!

This is what I call...

Not Worth Having 3

>>73471
to prove everybody he's been samefagging very hard in this thread and we should reward him for it. or something

>>73489

What the shit, I haven't done anything but gibe at Kubo/you guys this entire thread. Don't lump me in with these "seriously discussing bleach" chumps.

>>73471

Because making references is fun, and the last time I did it the dumb argument in question died.

Surprising NO ONE.

Gaaaaah what is WRONG with you Kubo? You bring back the best Arancars then have them chump it up immediately!