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70710 No. 70710
It's like he went back this chapter and read the pre-time skip series and was like "hey, this is pretty good, I should write more of this."
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>> No. 70712
Way to actually be clever Naruto. I'm impressed.
>> No. 70716
>>70715
The two 'samurai' bodyguards of that mafia midget, remember?

Also Neji was totally right, hardwork won't get you shit if you aren't from a super-special bloodline and have other hax bred/inserted into you
>> No. 70717
>>70716
Yeah, kinda funny how Kishi basically decided to throw that whole "fighting against destiny" thing out the window and literally make Naruto the Chosen One.

Anyways, decent chapter. Naruto actually seems to be able to consistently think his way out of problems these days, like when he was fighting that Raikage and he figured out that the only thing strong enough to hurt him was his own attack.
>> No. 70718
Was definitely a good chapter, I liked it alot. Alot of manga would be going for pure spectacle right about now.
>> No. 70722
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>>70717
>Yeah, kinda funny how Kishi basically decided to throw that whole "fighting against destiny" thing out the window and literally make Naruto the Chosen One.

Of all his many failings as a writer, this is the one that pisses me off the most.

Anyways not a bad chapter except for that totally pointless and lazy three-page flashback montage. I can't confirm for all of it, but in the majority of those panels at least that's literally just re-used old art. That's some Toei Animation shit right there.

And it was really for nothing. It didn't give us new insight into the character or situation, or add anything to that old art. It was just kind of an unnecessary and flow-breaking refresher on the main character's basic character trait.

Let's travel back in time to chapter 426, when Kishimoto did something similar, but much better.
>> No. 70723
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70723
>>70722

Now, a lot of this is reused art, but it's interspersed with new stuff as well.
>> No. 70724
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70724
>>70723

More importantly, even with the re-used stuff, it's giving us a new perspective on existing events, a perspective that had been hinted at before but not yet seen.
>> No. 70725
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70725
>>70724

And has a meaningful payoff: Even Ebisu, who had sworn at the beginning of the series that he would never accept Naruto as one of them, has changed his mind. Thematically, that's huge.

(Of course it also raises some problems, namely that the protagonist has long since achieved his objective - he's not Hokage but he never wanted to be Hokage for its own sake, he wanted to be Hokage because then everyone would have to acknowledge him as a proper Konoha ninja - but the story's still been going for years without offering a sufficient substitute, but that's a whole other barrel of fish)
>> No. 70727
When did ninetails become such a die-hard fan of Naruto?
>> No. 70728
>>70727

It's funny, actually, I was rereading some old Chuunin exam stuff a while back, and it occurred to me...I don't know if Kishimoto actually planned this or if it's just the happy confluence of two unrelated inconsistencies, but there's a case to be made that the Kyuubi has been tsundere for Naruto all along.

Remember when Jiraiya tossed Naruto off a cliff? It was the first time Naruto spoke directly to the Kyuubi. Naruto convinced the Ninetails to lend him some chakra on the basis that if Naruto died, the Kyuubi would go with him.

Hundreds of chapters later, it's an important plot point in the Minato is a Huge Douche flashback that if a tailed beast's container dies, the beast does not die with it; Instead it vanishes for a bit and then reappears somewhere in the wild. That was why Minato sealed the Kyuubi in Naruto to begin with.

So, basically, the Kyuubi was tsundere all along, and not actually in any danger of dying in that fall, but just used that as an excuse to give Naruto some chakra without looking like he was actually doing him a favor.

I suspect that it's an accidental saving throw on Kishimoto's part, as he never bothered to actually make this clear and instead just had it look inconsistent as hell, but hey. It's pretty reasonable.
>> No. 70729
>>it's an important plot point in the Minato is a Huge Douche flashback

I was dissapointed with all the revelations involving the Kyuubi attack on the village, that was definatly one of them
>> No. 70732
I was wondering why I liked the flashback so much and then I realized: no sign of Sasuke.

It's almost like the series is about Naruto again.
>> No. 70736
>>70732
It's just a story of a boy and his fox-dad
>> No. 70737
>>it's an important plot point in the Minato is a Huge Douche flashback

I hate Minato because he's an irresponsible fucktard and a deadbeat father. People who abandon their children be they men or women are garbage. Despite this the series treats him like a Golden Boy. Then there's the Third Hokage, he knew everything there is to know about Naruto's origins.....doesn't say shit to anyone and yet we're supposed to respect this douchebag? I'm glad Orochimaru killed him in retrospect, what a worthless fuck.

There is zero reason for Naruto to have ended up as the mistreated kid with the inferiority complex for the majority of his life in Konoha.
>> No. 70738
>>70737
It's like Malcom in the Middle, his heart needs to be broken so that it can grow.
It's all so that when he grows up, he'll be the greatest president the world has ever known.
I mean hokage.
>> No. 70742
>>70737

Expand on that please?
>> No. 70743
>>70738
Dude you just reminded me of that shitty ending. Godawful. Every single piece of misery and suffering for Malcolm was planned and intended to happen not caring if he eventually grows so depressed that he ultimately kills himself from the crushing existence he led. Seriously that is some fucked up shit for a family to do on purpose to their relative.

Worse is Malcolm ultimately succumbing to the script Lois set out for him. Malcolm should have told her to fuck off and that he was not going to rise in class status to bail HER, and scummy irresponsible people like her, out of the consequences that she brought upon herself by her own choices in life.

As far as Naruto is concerned, his misery happened because the Naruto world is honest to god filled with retards.
>> No. 70744
>>70742
It builds character.
>> No. 70745
>>70743
Pretty sure they didn't, couldn't even, plan all the shit that happened to him, they just kinda rolled with it and avoided letting him take an easy way out.
>> No. 70753
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>>70737
Yeah, befor all that was revealed I thought he was so cool, and then that happened, and we're not meant to hate him after all his douchebaggerry was brought to light? Fuck that it's just more of Kishi's horrible character writing.
>> No. 70754
>>70753
This is the guy who thought the story of Sakura completely dumping Ino's friendship because they (gasp) both liked ~*same boy!!*~ somehow didn't make Sakura look like a backstabbing asshole and a terrible friend. I don't think Kishimoto has a good grasp on stuff like that.
>> No. 70757
>>70754
Haha, indeed.
Well, I guess the difference between what Minato did to naruto and for example, what Lois did to malcom, is that, had he the chance, he would have chosen to stay alive to help naruto through all the hardships in his childhood and offering the love he needed.
But since both he and naturo's mom where gonna die right there, all he could do was hope that his son would someday pull himself thorugh all the sufering being an orfan jinchuuriki meant.

Yeah, he condemned his own newborn baby to a life full of shit because h couldn't risk an extremely capable insane terrorist get a hold of the kyuubi, but like pinted out, Kishi can't handle such situations well.

The one that no matter how you look at it, still results in a horrible asshole, is the third hokage. LULZ why would I have any consideration to the little boy who is unfairly hated by the entire village and has no one to show him a much needed love and support??!! Honestly, fuck that guy.
>> No. 70758
>>70753
>>70754

I don't think anything will top him expecting us to think that Itachi came out of that whole Uchiha Family Massacre clusterfuck looking like a hero of any kind.
>> No. 70764
>>70757
Anybody all for jumping on the "Kishimoto making shit up as he goes along" bandwagon?

There's plenty of room.
>> No. 70765
>>70764
People are talking about his horrible talent for writing characters, are you trying to wave off thier words because you don't agree?
>> No. 70766
>>70765
Nah, I think he's saying he subscribes to the bad writing theory and just worded it clumsily.
>> No. 70769
>>70765
>>70766

I should have phrased that better and because I didn't, I came off like a dick, sorry about that.

What I meant to say is that anyone who says that Kishimoto can't pace or plan worth a damn would have at least one other person who agrees with them.

Case in point, the Valley of the End fight. Right in the middle of an emotional fight between two former friends(?) and comrades, there is a flashback to the Uchiha family massacre. Not a flashback to when these two idiots first met, but it starts with a younger Sasuke and his daddy issues.

This could have been done in a filler chapter where Sasuke and Naruto are just talking, and the conversation gravitates to family and they both learn a little about the other in the process.
>> No. 70770
>>70764

I still say Kishi and Kubo have sleepovers and check each other's work.
>> No. 70773
>>70770
THE BIG THREE'S SLEEPOVER:
Kubo: "What, a whole arc dedicated to Rock Lee? That'd be as dumb as me having Shinji and Urahara going on an adventure together!"
Kishimoto: "You're right, Kubo-san. Instead, let's do several chapters about the main character's rival-of-the-moment brooding about his painful past! Oda-san, what are you doing?"
Oda: "I was thinking maybe in this chapter I would have a pirate show up who could breakdance so hard it split islands in two fight a guy with the power to turn water to gold for a few seconds at a time. Only the gold-to-water guy wins! But most of the chapter would be about how Brook learns sign language so he can talk to a deaf badger-man."
Kishimoto: "Don't you think it would be better if it was about Blackbeard being stoic and broody for three chapters?"
Oda: "No, I'm really into this deaf badger idea."
>> No. 70777
Anyone else find it weird how earlier central themes like "hard work trumps talent" or "you can be worth more than you were meant to be" or "training children to be mercenaries is kind of fucked up" were all sort of thrown out the window in the war arc?
>> No. 70779
>>70777
They were chucked out waaaay before the war, dude. That's actually why I stopped reading, it annoyed the shit outta me.
Lee for protag 2012.
>> No. 70780
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70780
One of my favorite things in Beelzebub is that instead of abandoning "Try Harder > Bullshit magic awakening power ups" it's central to the Oga's strength.

I wonder if Naruto could readopt it's former position.
>> No. 70794
>>70777
>"training children to be mercenaries is kind of fucked up"
When was this a central theme in Naruto?
>> No. 70797
>>70794

Pretty much any time they start going on about how all the wars and shit used to be so hardcore and how they should be grateful that they're growing up in a time of peace
>> No. 70894
What? No comments on fistbumping and the power of friendship yet?

/jam/, I'm disappoint.
>> No. 70895
I sure loved those fist-bumps and the power of friendship.
>> No. 70897
Mortal Kombat 3 Friendshipyoutube thumb

THIS ENTIRE CHAPTER
>> No. 70900
>>70895
Kurama's waaaaaay too tsundere for his own good. But even so, I do like where this is going. Shame about not as much lead up, but still good stuff.
>> No. 70918
>>70900
Seriously. You'd think he was blushing when he was getting upset for being thanked, but that's just the way he's shaded.
>> No. 70923
>>70918

"I-it's not like I want to give you my power or anything...!!"
>> No. 71019
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71019
Oh hey, a cool combat oriented action chapter.
>> No. 71020
ALMOST liked this chapter.

But couldn't get over Guy and Kakashi being useless.

...That and power-ups like this...I dunno.
>> No. 71021
Naruto got another super form?
>> No. 71022
>>71021

This one comes with an overcoat

And then Naruto was Bleach
>> No. 71023
>>71019
:/
>> No. 71024
On one hand, ughh super forms
On the other
FULL ON KAIJU BATTLES AW YEAHHH
>> No. 71025
I'm just glad it's more detailed, that other chakra form reeked of "NOW I DON'T NEED TO INK AS MUCH!"
>> No. 71026
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WHAT THE FUCK?
>> No. 71027
>>71020
Kakashi jobbing is nothing new, and Gai uses TAIJUTSU, pfft, what a loser.
>> No. 71030
This one might look pretty cool animated.
Someone remind me when the anime gets to this part.
>> No. 71031
>>71030
Maybe. Thought the last I remember seeing was the looney toon fight between pain and tailed naruto, all sort of rediculous things happening that should have left Pain a smear and really off animation...oddly enough Hinatas scuffle with pain was pretty awesome.
I'm sure its gotten better since then?
>> No. 71041
>>71031

>Thinks Looney Tunes had bad animation.

Yeah I can see how you might think tha- GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Yeah you're allowed to not like the fight, but don't bring Road Runner into this as some kind of insult.
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>>71041
...wat? I didn't mean say anything about the art style of looney tunes or that LT has bad animation, I meant retarded stuff like when he got bonked in the head with that massive shelf of rock and shrugged it off like a cartoon character from those kinds of shows, the road-runner impression too was pretty mental I suppose.
>> No. 71044
>>71041
Looney Tunes animation isn't an insult. FIGHT SCENES using Looney Tunes animation however is.
>> No. 71046
>>71031
I've seen some gifs of the "off" animation, and I thought they looked really damn cool. Not, I don't think, appropriate for a series like Naruto, but stick it in one of the odder Gainax series and it'd be aces.
>> No. 71048
If you thought that Pain fight looked bad you fucked up.

It's completely fluid animation and it's absolutely incredible.
>> No. 71050
>>71048

It might be impressive on a technical level but it was entirely wrong for the scene. It looked goofy as hell.
>> No. 71051
>>71050
I disagree, further more I think it should be a benchmark for all fights at that level.

You would otherwise have that fight played completely straight and that would be even more fucking ridiculous.

You hit the point where you are making or breaking planets you might as well go balls to the wall and make it surreal, other wise you have what is visual "The 5 minutes until Namek explodes" where it....just fucking punching on a pathetic scale of what should be god blows.

Naruto, in this one singular instance, nailed what a fight on that scale should be, fucking ridiculous and absurd.

Road Runner legs, body spike, etc it was PERFECT for that scene.
>> No. 71053
The problem is that the series isn't supposed to be like that. However horribly it may fail at doing so, it's still TRYING to be taken seriously most of the time. It's a step in the completely wrong direction.

Also yeah no the animation there is choppy as hell I have no idea why you're praising it so much.
>> No. 71054
>>71053
Actually, wouldn't the step in the completely wrong direction be the series taking itself so seriously?
>> No. 71055
>>71054
No. The correct way to go would be to do something that's actually WORTH taking seriously.
>> No. 71056
>>71046
Yeah, I don't get it.
It was all impressively fluid.
>> No. 71057
>>71051

Wow, no, what the fuck. You can portray ludicrous power levels without turning it into the theatre of the absurd. All it requires is competent directing.

When you have scenes that are taking themselves completely seriously and an animation style that is decidedly not, you get a bizarre mismatch. Maybe Naruto would be better with the type of surreality you're looking for baked in, but...it isn't.
>> No. 71058
>>71019
So yeah, I'm referring to this new powerup as his Megazord. Foxfire Megazord has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
>> No. 71059
What fight are you guys talking about, I haven't seen shit of the anime is there a youtube you guys can link so i dont have to trawl through countless awful amvs
>> No. 71060
>>71059
This entire incredible episode, it's one of the few actually worth watching.

http://www.narutoget.com/watch/727-naruto-shippuden-episode-167-english-subbed/
>> No. 71061
>>71059

This'll sum it up.

Naruto vs Pain top 6 Animation Fail'syoutube thumb

Personally, it was impressive in terms of Loony Toons fluidity, but with the general seriousness of semi-realistic proportions and design of the character, it made the whole fight a gigantic joke that looked like ass.
>> No. 71062
Hmmmmm

>>71057
I'm with this guy then, it IS surprisingly fluid animation and it would be neat if the show had similar scenes more often but since it doesn't it's just strange to look at against the stagnant static stiff backdrop of the rest of naruto's animation if those amvs i saw are any indication

I guess some sort of medium between the two would be nice for the current events in the manga but something exactly like this would ruin the feel it should have of titans clashing against each other and something exactly like how the rest of the Pain fight looked would do the same but worse because it'd be boring as [b]shit[b]

im sorry tiki :<
>> No. 71063
whoops
>> No. 71064
>>71062
>im sorry tiki :<

If I'm coming off like I'm stone headed about this I apologize, I'm a freak show fan, I like stuff that is super surreal and visually entertaining, to me, this was the anime giving something unique and worth watching.

So yeah, no need for sorrys, s'all good, I like it for my reasons and while I stand by them, don't hold them as definitive or what have, just voicing what I thought of it S'all.
>> No. 71065
It's just kind of a thing they like to do when it comes to people fighting Fox Naruto.
>> No. 71069
>>71061
That all looks incredible. In fact, some of it makes me think of Miyazaki.
>> No. 71073
last chapter was fun. i liked naruto's new kyuubi mode. it's like he went full bankai.
>> No. 71074
If you're looking for an in between of the two, the animator who did the Pain fight also did Naruto vs Sasuke and was much less toony with it. He's one of my absolute favorites.

http://www.narutoget.com/watch/491-naruto-episode-133-english-subbed/
>> No. 71084
>>71061
Man, if there was a series done in that style all the time I'd watch the hell out of it.
>> No. 71087
>>71061
Yeah #1 is stupid as hell, no way peinis is that durable.
>> No. 71103
>>71074

I'm pretty sure it was also the same team behind Sasuke vs. Orochimaru in the Forest of Death during the Chuunin Exam. Maybe they just had a better budget back then, but they tend to go with these guys whenever they need huge, over-the-top fights with tons of shit flying everywhere, but this time around they really went nuts with it. Seriously, Porky Pig getting his head clapped between a pair of cymbals had the same fluidity as all this, it was just really out of place for Naruto (and it looked utterly hilarious, you can't tell me I was supposed to take "My pain is far greater than yours!" seriously when he's flailing like a water balloon in slow-motion.)

It's what led me to dub this group "Team Puddingface." I'm not sure, but I once heard Naruto has four animation teams that each specialize in different things to help pump out the episodes at the speed they do.
>> No. 71106
I could take the fight perfectly sensibly. I'm sorry some of you couldn't.
>> No. 71107
>>71106
Thats a pretty stuck-up way to phrase it you realize.
>> No. 71111
>>71074
>>71103

I believe he also did the fight between the Gokaige and Orochimaru and was involved with the sixth One Piece movie.

On an animation level the guy's fantastic. The Naruto anime is basically worthless except when they bring this guy in. But what they did with the animation in that episode was out of place.
>> No. 71114
*Sandaime, I'm retarded.
>> No. 71148
(Translators Note: "Sandaime" means "third")
>> No. 71256
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Superior tailed beast.
>> No. 71321
Pain/Hinata was better, even if not technically as impressive.
>> No. 71325
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/11316990/1

babby tailed beast were adorable.
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>>71325
I'm not used to Naruto Narutoing again.
>> No. 71346
Aw, they're bantering the way he always wanted hem to.
>> No. 71347
>>71325
>The Sage of Six Paths looks exactly like Minato and Naruto now looks like him

Man I sure love how every character in this manga has his or her identity constructed entirely from who you're descended from/who your teachers are!
>> No. 71349
>>71347
Just wait till Naruto gets his super special eyes, that''l be great.
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71352
I can't decide if baby tailed beasts are really cute or really stupid.
>> No. 71353
>>71352
So innocent and bright eyed. He probably should have told them they were likely to be feared and exploited as tools of war for most of their lives.
>> No. 71375
So Naruto is descendant from not only the 4th Hokage, but the SAGE OF SIX PATHS, himself?!

This confirms the FUCK out of what Neji said about becoming Hokage being a birthright. Every one of the goddamn Hokages have been basically related and descendant from a man that may as well have been GOD; they're essentially a royal family who can claim to have deistic blood!

It's kind of funny how the Uchiha got the Sharingan/Rinnegan and the Senjuu got... what? Cool hair? No wonder the Uchiha were upset at not becoming the rulers when they're pretty much demonstratively better. It's how Al Gore probably felt in 2000.
>> No. 71376
>>71352
Stupid Kawaii

>>71347
This manga is all about elitism and genetic superiority. As in it supports these concepts blatantly.
>> No. 71379
>>71375
It spins the world on your head. At first it seemed like Kurama was being a father figure to Naruto but now it turns out Naruto is Kurama's father figure.
>> No. 71380
>>71375

>So Naruto is descendant from not only the 4th Hokage, but the SAGE OF SIX PATHS, himself?!

Oh yes. That one's on his mother's side IIRC.
>> No. 71400
>>71380

So a woman is good for something?

Holy shit!
>> No. 71405
>>71380

That would make sense, considering Nagato (retconned into the Uzumaki family) had the rinnegan. All the same, though, the Sage resembles Minato, too.

So there's two possibilities. Either Kishimoto coincidentally gave them both a similar body and hairstyle, or the bloodlines are HORRIBLE inbred. Given the way real royal bloodlines tend to go... that wouldn't be in the least bit surprising.
>> No. 71407
>>71400
Hold your horses, bucko--what she's good for in this case is passing down genes to a man.
>> No. 71410
>>71405
Well if your bloodline had awesome eyes you'd want to keep that super exclusive.
>> No. 71580
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71580
Ah, so that's where we are right now.
I should probably start following along, this seems about the point where all that fighting that I have a hard time following starts happening.
>> No. 71581
>>71580
Woah, that fire effect looks really nice.
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71588
You know, the way he's sitting like that, shouldn't we be able to see where his tails connect to his lower back?
They're just floating in front of him.
>> No. 71590
>>71588
Well, he's in some sort of water so maybe the base of the tail under him is just submerged.
>> No. 71591
>>71588
They're actually penises.
>> No. 71597
>the last two pages of the new chapter

noooo

noooooooo.......

it was doing so well ; -;
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>>71597
Time to ruin it!
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>>71601
>> No. 71609
It's like watching a butterfly begin to emerge from it's cocoon, and get immediately eaten halfway out. You could almost start seeing the hint of a quality story if you squinted. So many fleeting scraps of decent writing, gone.
>> No. 71612
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71612
Let's see how this looks. I'll probably get some mileage out of this one.
>> No. 71614
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71614
The smirk is the best part.

"Are you...
upset?"
>> No. 71619
>>71601
Anyone else notice how whenever the focus shifts to Naruto, more and more detail and backgrounds and landscapes are shown, but with Sasuke it starts to just fade to white and lack of detail?

Maybe I'm seeing to much, but its sort of an idea of Naruto's relations with his friends and allies growing and growing to connect to the whole world, while Sasuke's cutting everything out but himself and his angsty ideas of revenge, hinged on less and less of reality until he just outright gives up trying to justify crap and just hates everything.

Naruto had nothing, but was given a sliver of respect, and used it to stamp out a proper respect for himself, and an eventual place with his community while finding what talents he had within him, while Sasuke had everything, saw a bit taken away, and instead let what was left wither away and never took responsibility for his own actions, finding even later that his goals had no purpose or point, and let them throw him farther into irrationality.

Kishimoto likes working with Sasuke not because he thinks he's cooler. He likes working with characters who just morally destroy themselves, because they're a lot of fun to write.
>> No. 71623
>>71619
A nice analysis, but I don't give the series that much credit.
>> No. 71629
Wait, aren't the Kages still fighting Madara? Or did that end and I missed it somehow?
>> No. 71633
>>71619

Sasuke sucks all the quality away from everything around him because of what I call "Bleach Syndrome." Basically, the mangaka focuses entirely on posing their characters so that they look cool, to the detriment of everything else.
>> No. 71641
Whoop time to stop reading Naruto again. Well, it was a good run. I actually enjoyed myself a bit.
>> No. 71646
>>71633

Kishimoto once mentioned that Sasuke is his favorite character to draw, so that wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I just wish the fucker would hurry up and DIE already.
>> No. 71690
>>71646
Just for saying that now Sasuke will be the only character who DOESN'T die, good going buddy >:(

Though really I agree, the Uchia are one of the worst parts of the series, they really drag everything else down when they get involved.
>> No. 71840
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/574

One funny page, and 17 pages of 'my eyes are powerful, I will kill you Naruto, I'm so awesum, maybe I'll run into my brother'

Sasuke really does drag this shit down faster than concrete shoes.
>> No. 71841
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>>71840
Congratulations Sasuke, that's an all time speed record for ruining everything, even for you.
>> No. 71842
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>The Eyes That Look In To The Darkness

Pfft, not even clicking on that.
>> No. 71843
Yeah Sasuke sucks, eye wank sucks, Naruto once again is going to suck.

I was about to facepalm when I thought Karin was pulling a Sakura, but it was just a ploy?
>> No. 71844
>>71843
>Naruto once again is going to suck.

No, we can safely say it already sucks again after that chapter.

As for Karin....I'd wait to see how she acts upon actually meeting him.

>>71842
Rightly so.
>> No. 71845
That entire chapter was one big literary record scratch.
>> No. 71849
Wow, that translation was leagues worse than the Mangastream/Whatisface ones.
>> No. 71852
>>71849
It's a Sasuke chapter, no one cares enough to even properly clean it.
>> No. 71853
Good Christ, since when are Karin, Suigetsu, AND Juugo all freaking unstable, bipolar psychopaths? I mean, there was a time (like five minutes during the fight with Bee...) where all of Hebi/Taka/Team Sasuke were all getting along and even cared about each other's safety. I guess Kishimto thought harmony among teammates was boring after all, and magically reverted them back to "Let's all hate each other and deeply desire to kill each other!"

I mean, Suigetsu had a GOOD motivation: he wanted to collect the swords from the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist and that's something he could still try to accomplish. The best way to do that is to go to the battleground and find them, and one way to do that is to find Sasuke, who is surely going to the war to... well, probably amount to nothing at all giving his track-record... but whatever. So why the change? Why has his entire purpose turned into this asinine crap about splitting up Sasuke and Karin like some kind of jealous third wheel?! Why the fuck would he even CARE about that?! Is Kishimoto trying to copy the WTF-parody style of the Rock Lee spinoff...? or what? It fails either way.

Also Karin. I thought she was over Sasuke completely (and that Tsundere madness I suppose was a ploy to fool the laughably-incompetant guards) but now she is going to escape. Why? Isn't it obvious...? to get to Sasuke! I mean, she has absolutely zero other point to the existance of her character, and has never stated any other purpose in life other than him.

Why are all the females in this manga so goddamn useless?! Why are they all copies of Bella Swan whose only purpose in life involves a man?! And of all the men in the manga, it's not someone like Shikamaru or Rock Lee, it's Sasuke (and well, Hinata to Naruto I guess).

It's just a joke, I swear. This entire manga is one big joke; and not a funny-ha-ha joke either, but a sit-on-my-bed-like-the-Comedian-and-cry-because-it's-really-that-bad joke.
>> No. 71854
>>71849

No kidding. Kinda confusing syntax and bad spelling. I get the feeling nobody proof-read this shit at all.

Man, I hope Itachi acts totally different now that his whole mission is seconds from being pointless. Wouldn't anyone else love to see that Itachi is actually kinda a goofy asshole? I know that would make him a little too close to Naruto and Bee, but it'd be funny. I just want somebody to knock Sasuke off his pedestal a little, especially since he's little more than a walking "bwa-haha" death machine at the moment. Shit, as satisfying as it would be to make Sasuke angry, I hope Itachi doesn't drop some sort of "I should have killed you along with mom and dad" bit. It'd be too...fanfiction.net.
>> No. 71867
Man dude I don't know about this chapter, I feel like everything i have to say about it was encapsulated in a post that's not even in this thread

>>71839

Like even if Sasuke gets a Rinnegan, Nrauto's already beat a dude with it and is in the process of beating a dude with it AND a sharingan

Honestly the only way in which i can see Sasuke as a threat is in some metafictional as the writing and the translation (a coincidence but a neat coincidence) just plummets in quality when he appears
>> No. 71885
Sasuke's a threat because HIS DARKNESS IS GREATER THAN YOURS!!1
>> No. 71890
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The style changed for like one scene.
And it was really awesome.
>> No. 71893
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I'm slow and didn't notice the handprint of his former self as the indicator that Kurama shrunk when Minato condemned half his soul to eternal torment.
>> No. 71894
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So here's the fun part (since, as you know, comparing things to each other is fun to me), we've got ourselves a Freeza trying to kill Goku and Piccolo taking the bullet/Freeza trying to kill Piccolo scenario here.
In the anime they also emphasize his shrinking by the chains that bound him becoming looser, but in the manga they stay tight until Kushina loses her focus which gives him the chance to attack.

It's one of those things that's different when you compare them up close but ultimately produce the exact same results in the long run.
>> No. 71896
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They wanted to be more show than tell on that matter I suppose.
>> No. 71903
Here's something I'm wondering. Tobi's plan needs the chakra of all nine tailed beasts, right? So...isn't it doomed right from the get-go, since half of Kurama's power is gone forever?
>> No. 71911
>>71867
Sasuke is the worst thing in naruto. Just deal with it and move on. I know I have. Also, I fucking hope zetsu isn't dead off screen because fuck that would be so fucking lame.
>> No. 71916
>>71903
Perhaps Minato planned it that way.
I'm not fully clear on what the definition is on half his chakra is anyways. Is there just another fully functional half-size Kurama chilling out in hell with the hokages and Orochimaru's spirit arms?
>> No. 71918
>>71853
>bitch bitch bitch

Delicious tears.

Finally Sasuke is back, and we can get the ball rolling.

great chapter.
>> No. 71920
>>71918
To do what exactly?
>> No. 71921
>>71920
Clearly he'll draw Kurama's other half out of hell and seal it inside himself so he can take on an anti-nine tails form.
Instead of glowing with life he radiates death.
>> No. 71924
>>71921
im sad that that is a thing that could actually happen

really sad
>> No. 71929
>>71916

All the former hokages being sealed together in Hell (or inside that statue, whatever) is WAY too obvious a plot point to ignore. I'm sure, sooner or later, they (and the other half of Kurama [still can't quite get used to calling him that...] too) will be released.


Speaking of... I wish there was more elaboration on what happens to souls in Naruto. The ones sealed up go to Hell, so apparantly the rest go to heaven. When Kakashi died he was in some bizzare purgatory where he met his father, who was sitting there because his soul could not yet pass on. Yet, when Zabuza was revived, he said that he knew nothing after his death until his rebirth; this implies that there is no heaven or hell, but rather nothingness following death.

Personally, I don't think there is any real consistancy. Naruto's spirit-world (or lack thereof) seems to change with whatever the plot requires, same with the history of the shinobi world and the Sharingan's powers.
>> No. 71930
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>>71929
Yeah, it's an interesting little plot device.
Does the place the Shinigami takes you after the seal is done have a name?
>> No. 71931
>>71930
Stabby McFuckaDuckThisSucksville.
>> No. 71932
Basically death in Naruto is like the Graveyard in Yu-gi-oh; it's easy enough to get things back from there it might as well be a second hand.
The Dead Demon Consuming Seal banishes people instead.
>> No. 71939
>>71921
Final Fight

Sasuke enters "Mangekyou sharinnegan Darkness 9-Tails Mode"

The series smashes through the bottom of the barrel at lightspeed
>> No. 72132
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72132
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575

AND NOW WE'RE DOING THIS DANCE AGAIN
>> No. 72134
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72134
Please not another Itachi vs Sasuke fight, Genjutsu battles in Naruto are some of dumbest and most boring kinds of fights it can have.
>> No. 72135
Wow the quality in Naruto is dropping WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY further.
>> No. 72139
>>72132

Mannnn even the kage fight is getting dragged down in quality.

I blame you, Sasuke.
>> No. 72141
>>72139
Seriously as soon as he showed up EVERYTHING got worse.
>> No. 72155
>>72135
>>72139
>>72141

I fuckin told you guys (>>71867), Sasuke is a threat only to the quality of the manga not to anyone in the story

Christ can you believe only two weeks ago we were excited for this manga again and actually looked forward to new chapters
>> No. 72156
Honestly now the Kage battle was always dull. A bunch of plot devices fights off a major tool. That's it.

I have a question to pose here, outside of Kurama finally acknowleding Naruto as a friend in the middle of this messy situation, does anyone seriously enjoy this shitty war arc?

I honestly do not. I don't care for these characters who were just created for this arc. I have no emotional investment in any of them. I feel the same way with One Piece's Marineford War. I just want this garbage to end already so we can move ahead with the character driven antagonist arcs instead of an all encompassing generic cliche of a war arc.
>> No. 72157
>>72156
Well... I do like that we got the rest of the seven Swordsmen of the mist.

But fuck most of these zombie assholes.
>> No. 72158
>>72155
>hrist can you believe only two weeks ago we were excited for this manga again and actually looked forward to new chapters

A lot of us still are.

Just because a few haters are bitching doesn't mean anything.
>> No. 72159
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>>72155
NO I TOLD YOU!
>>71601

SO THERE PFFFT!

>>72158
Das is true, as long as Killer B loves we have hope.
>> No. 72160
So Real Madara has some Senju DNA in him, too. I wonder what fake Madara has to say about that. Of course, he's probably got the same tricks, 'cause... well, this is Naruto we're talking about. Everyone's got three or four decks of Trump Cards stowed away.

Though, I don't care which one does it, I want to see him fight Naruto, and then Sasuke shows up and gets one-shot killed by a stray jutsu. EVERYONE WHO READS THE FUCKING MANGA WOULD STAND UP AND CHEER.


>>72156

I don't care about the protagonists who were created for this arc, because I have no emotional investment in them. I don't care about the zombies because none of them are balanced antagonists with any goddamn purpose (and all of them sans Itachi are being controlled so are essentially puppets) also. So this war arc has basically become the equivilent of a Super Bowl between two teams in the NFL that I care NOTHING about one way or another. I don't have a team I like, so I can't root for someone; and I don't have a team I dislike, so I can't root against them. Who wins or loses has become so unimportant that I can't be bothered to care.

The biggest mistake Kishi has is making too many damn characters. I mean, what happened to the characters I DO care about? How many chapters has it been since we've seen something with mostly characters who have been around since part 1? How can I care about the Kage battle when 3/5ths of them were introduced (in-universe timeline) only a few months ago? It's ridiculous.

It's mostly the villians, though. I like ones with greyer morality who have some kind of goal in mind or otherwise a realistic objective. Let's look back at some of the main antagonists.

Zabuza/Haku: I've nothing against you, but we're hired mercenaries, and you're in my way.

Orochimaru: I want to learn all the jutsu in the world to reach perfection, and you're in my way.

Pein: I want to take over the world so I can bring peace to all shinobi by scaring the war outta 'em, and you're in my way.

Madara: I want to take over the world because I'm an Uchiha, and therefore I'm fucking entitled!

(presumably) Sasuke: DEATH! MURDER! KILL! DESTROY!


See how each subsequent antagonist has become more and more cartoonishly evil and extreme? Zabuza and Haku were realistically placed in a position that made it obvious that our heroes were just on the wrong side of the fence: nobody was clearly good or evil. Now we have Sasuke, who is clearly completely insane and wants to murder everyone on the planet for absolutely no reason at all.
>> No. 72162
>>72156

One thing I did like were Gaara's and the Tsuchikage's fights. It gave me some hope that the Kage's fight against Madara was going to be good.

But fuck man, that forced Tsuchikage flashback... that unnecessary powerup of Madara... it's lookin' pretty awful now.
>> No. 72171
You know I never really "got" why the first hokage was So Awesome, or why making trees is The Shit. Back during Sarutobi's fight he seemed to be able to handle both the first and second pretty well all by himself (though he had to summon that monkey that could... turn into a pole, turn into a box made of poles, and... punch?). And wasn't it Sarutobi who was called the strongest ninja in konoha history when he was in his prime? Except now it's actually Hashirama? Why does everyone want his face on their chest now? Why not Sarutobi's? Or the monkey's? It's like, yup, you sure did make a some trees Madara. So? And then he himself says that they shouldn't really be all that worried about the plants. Ok. Then why make them? As a distraction? Now I know that xtreme body modding is totally rad in Narutoland, but getting a chest face for a distraction?

Fuck it, why am I even bothering to think about anything in Naruto. Especially when eye people are involved.
>> No. 72173
>>72156

I actually did not feel the same way about the Marineford War, because Oda is really good at making me care about characters in a really short period of time, and because all of the notable Marines were established characters and the new Whitebeard guys all had a shared and clear goal in common.

Kishimoto's war is a mess by contrast.
>> No. 72174
>>72171

Sarutobi was never the strongest ninja; Minato was the one regularly called the 'greatest ninja in Konoha history'. Sarutobi was the Professor, the guy who knew more and more about jutsu than just about anyone.
>> No. 72176
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>>72171
He can control tailed beasts.
>> No. 72191
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72191
Naruto fans,

Do you guys get bored with having such dull settings (forest-desert-arctic-forest)?

I mean, in One piece the characters go beneath the ocean, high-security prisons, kingdoms in the sky, Venice-like port towns, outer space, living islands, zombie graveyards, sea trains, decrepit castles and that's not even going into the various locales that Oda puts in his chapter title pages. (pic related)

Speaking of which, you ever get tired of how lame your chapter pages are, what with them just being character portraits and such?
>> No. 72193
>>72191
You're talking to people who if they are still reading this tripe are literary masochists. Blinded either by a hope that quality will come back to stay or willingly wanting to be bored out of their mind until the series ends. Both cases are too damned to be saved at this point.
>> No. 72194
>>72191
I want a living lego doggie : (
>> No. 72203
>>72176
Can't the Sharingan do that as well, or at least contain them?
>> No. 72204
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72204
Entire Uchicha clan is babies!
>> No. 72219
>>72204
You have defeated me.
I just...I can't...
>> No. 72231
>>72204
My mind is so full of fuck right now.
>> No. 72242
>>72204
>>72204

Oh my.
>> No. 72286
>>72191
It's called consistency and world building.

Oda pulls whatever he wants out of his ass when the arc demands it ("I wanna tell a story in the desert... I know, desert island!")

Its like complaining there's no underwater lego lands in Lord of the Rings. It's about having an established world and setting. Naruto does, Fullmetal Alchemist does, etc. One Piece doesn't.
>> No. 72287
>>72286
Which rather demonstrates why masturbatory world building is ultimately self-defeating rather than beneficial to a story. Define all of the parameters explicitly too soon, and you end up making changes that don't fit in with the world building you've already established. Only hint at the parameters, and you leave yourself wiggle room for when you want to make changes later on.

It's why a good Outline is better than a Series Bible.
>> No. 72288
>>72286

One Piece does have an established world and setting. Oda just made one such that he can fit just about any environment he wants into it.
>> No. 72289
I know it's tempting to not talk about Naruto at all, especially with the recent events in the manga, but please don't derail to One Piece there is a whole board for it
>> No. 72290
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72290
http://prupelallitraitor.tumblr.com/post/18423344915/waltzin4d-pilts-siesta-410-iamnotlingy

YO EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO THIS
>> No. 72291
>>72290
this is the most incredible shit ive ever heard
>> No. 72293
>>72290
I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.
>> No. 72295
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>>72290
>2012
>only now learning about Eddie Rath, the best thing to come out of Naruto
>> No. 72306
>>72290

Err... wat?
>> No. 72329
So Kishi basically admits his women are all useless.

HA.

So much for every generation being stronger than the one before it.
>> No. 72330
>>72329
What happened this chapter?
>> No. 72336
>>72330
Sasuke vs. Itachi.
again.

AGAIN.

also, Tsunade is worthless.

again.
AGAIN.

ITT: Kishi remembers how to ruin Naruto. AGAIN.
>> No. 72338
>>72336
You're forgetting a very important factor. Not just that Tsunade is worthless, or even that she openly admits it, but that she agreed with Madara that being a woman is a contributing factor to being weak.
>> No. 72340
Where does being a women factor into this?
The only time being a woman was even remotely a bad thing in Naruto was when that one female sound ninja had Sakura by the hair and insulted her for bothering to use conditioner. That was it. After that I don't think it ever comes up again.
>> No. 72343
>>72340

Because no woman in the Narutoverse has beaten any man of worth ever.

Sasori chose to be killed by that attack, so he doesn't count.
>> No. 72346
I unconsciously read all of Sasuke's dialogue in that chapter in a whiny little kid's voice. I'm not quite sure how that happened, but it fit completely considering that Sasuke WAS just basically whining the entire time.

Also, wtf? I was thinking he would brutally attack Itachi because he's decided for himself what he wanted to do in life (and still hates his guts). But no, it's just more asking big brother what he SHOULD be doing... Sasuke better not randomly turn back to the side of good and go fight Madara alongside Itachi. Much as that sounds pretty cool in concept, it would make Sasuke out to be even more wishy-washy and bipolar than he already is.

As for Tsunade, I kind of liked that bit. It seemed good character development for her to admit her flaws (even if one of them seems to be having been born with a vagina) and yet say that it doesn't matter. From the way the chapter ended, I get the impression she's about to pull off something incredibly badass~
>> No. 72347
>>72338
Can you post the page in question?
>> No. 72348
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>>72347
>> No. 72350
It's like just say you let him live because he's your brother and you love him already. Geez.
>> No. 72351
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>>72348
>Villain lists Tsunade's flaws and includes the fact that she has a vagina as one of them.
Okay, I can buy that, he's a villain. Being an ass is his shtick.

>Tsunade lists her flaws and includes the fact that she has a vagina as one of them.
...

Tenten, get a new role model.
>> No. 72353
>>72348
- I remember a time when ninjitsu techniques in Naruto didn't determine if a given character was going to win or lose a fight. I remember when the strength of your conviction to fight for yourself and your allies meant more than having an Uber Hax bloodline limit. I remember when your gender didn't matter in a fight, only your ability to cope with the changing battlefield.
- How many people that have been fighting in this ninja war (which for some reason is a large scale conflict instead of smaller skirmishes) and making any headway don't have some bloodline limit or bullcrap special ability? How many "average joe" ninjas do we see saving the day or doing anything other than dying?
-Heck even our protaganist has his super special snowflake plot armor on at this point. Where is the need to improve oneself when your body automatically gives you a victory based on heredity alone?

- Isn't that what Naruto as a character was the antithesis of, the natural prodigy was Sasuke? Naruto was the screw-up that was going to gain strength through hard work and cutting the bullcrap from his life. The kid who would beat the odds,
sure he had the 9-tails inside him.
Yes it gave him more power than should be necessary.
No, this did not ruin the story because having the 9-tails was balanced with Naruto having no control over when and were he used its power. He was supposed to grow into using it (This happened during the fight with Gaara during the Chunin exams quite nicely I might add)

- I remember when this was a story about one kid trying to rise above his own feelings of self doubt and become an icon to his people.

- I remember when our villains were both lethal, and meaningful to the story. Remember Zabuza and Haku? Remember how they helped illustrate what it meant to be a ninja in the sense that ninja's were weapons of the state? To be trained and used at the will of their daimyo, to give their lives in battle and not even for the sake of peace?
- Remember how Haku's sacrifice to save Zabuza's life showed how just being a weapon doesn't make you any less human? This was important for both Naruto the character and the readers of Naruto because it was a thought that hadn't been explored yet. And this one thought was important every step of the way. Remember when Kishimoto had zombie-Haku "sacrifice" himself again to protect zombie-Zabuza? What significance did that have whey your zombies can Instantly Regenerate from any and all damage
- What do all of these undead freaks contribute to the story anyways? Why are they even here if their going to be taken out the same page their summoned, or replace the main villain in terms of threat to the main cast (looking at you Madara Uchiha)?

- I remember when Naruto had substance, when the story was consistent with it's mechanics and characters. Where things like this didn't exist unless youwatched the anime filler.

- I remember Naruto back when it was good, Kishimoto you have some explaining to do. Not to me, I'm just one guy on the internet; you have to explain to your fans why this page exists. Because this isn't cool Kishimoto...not cool at all.
>> No. 72355
>>72353

Now you understand why I believe the latest filler episodes were actually BETTER than the canon storyline. They had that old-fashioned Naruto feel to them, and I was very sad to seem it end. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the next fillers, partially because they are plots I'm unfamiliar with (and can thus be surprised, unlike stuff from the manga that I am familiar with) but mostly because it's just more entertaining.

It's difficult to be entertained when one is facepalming all the time.
>> No. 72356
>>72348
>WEAK PEOPLE ARE UGLY AND WEAK SENJU ARE EVEN MORE UGLY
I can literally only imagine him saying this the way a child would.
>> No. 72360
>>72353
>I remember when your gender didn't matter in a fight, only your ability to cope with the changing battlefield.
When? Honest question, here, because I can't recall one.

Re: the rest of the stuff, Lee for protag 2012.
>> No. 72364
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This is hurting my brain.
>> No. 72365
1) Okay am I the only one who felt that the whole Sasuke and Itachi combo was needlessly convoluted all this "illusion" talk shit stuff?

2) Anyone else see Itachi as a good for nothing bum for blatantly turning down a chance to correct the mistake he made with his brother?
>> No. 72368
>>72366
Yes, yes, you have opinions and that's adorable and everything, but the grown ups are talking.
>> No. 72369
>>72360
>I remember when your gender didn't matter in a fight, only your ability to cope with the changing battlefield.
>When? Honest question, here, because I can't recall one.

I had the chunin exams in mind when I wrote that part. Namely the first Phase a.k.a the written exam. And the second phase a.k.a the Forest of Death.
- In the First phase all of the shinobi were tasked with first locating the correct room to have the exam in. Next they were tasked with answering what was essentially an impossible quiz. There was no way any one person could be capable of answering all 10 questions correctly so each 3 man cell or individual ninja worked to steal information from the others. Notable examples include Kankuro using his puppet to impersonate an examiner (though they called him on this), and Gai Sensei's students using a combination of mirrors and non-verbal signals to confirm answers.
- The final question was also interesting because it hi-lighted that even in information warfare it is not just what information you can gather, but the information that you can retain. Discretion is fundamental to being a ninja.
~In this case, you were given a limited amount of information regarding your goal. Failure resulted in being expelled (a slap on the wrist compared to what would happen on a real mission)

- In the second phase each three man cell was sent into a large area with two goals; 1) Retrieve the counterpart to your assigned scroll type, 2) Reach the tower located in the middle with all 3 members of your group present. The trick here is that the native environment was hostile (blood sucking leeches anyone?)
- This was further complicated because you had to take these scrolls from hostile people. These people could try to just outright kill you (Gaara, The sound trio, Orochimaru) or stalk you while whittling down your stamina and resources (Those 3 genjustu using ninjas). Even then it was hinted by Kabuto (whether he was being serious or not) that some groups will camp around the tower picking off other groups that emerge to ensure that fewer participants complete the challenge.
- But its not like all of the ninja's were on equal terms throughout this challenge. Kiba, Hinata, and Shino abused the home field advantage regarding their knowledge of the local flora and fauna to ensure there success. Gaara, Kankuro, and Temari used intimidation to get by completely unscathed. Kabuto had superior skills and knowledge to traverse the majority of the forest of death by himself.
~In the second phase each group had to deal with a myriad of potential threats and obstacles to complete their objective. They had to retrieve and deliver two object without looking at the contents, across unfamiliar terrain. They needed to manage their stamina and wits to ensure a successful mission.

You could also look at the Land of Waves Story arc (The mission started out as D ranked but circumstances changed to B in one confrontation), and the Sasuke Retrieval Arc (Chasing down opponents of unknown strength and number with a time limit)
>> No. 72375
I wonder if Kishimoto really planned out this whole "girls are weak" think from the beginning. I mean, I recall that in the early classes at the Academy, boys were throwing shuriken and fighting each other. On the other hand, Sakura had a flashback to a class the revolved entirely on the art of arranging flowers. It makes me wonder when/why the academy classes end up desegregated.

Also, if all girls are supposed to become medical ninja ('cause their physicall weak, yet "motherly" apparantly) then why aren't they taught that at the academy in the first place? It seems odd to me that everyone seems to know and acknowledge that the females are destined to NOT be the kind of kicking-ass ninja that the boys end up as, yet they put them in the same classes and teach them the same stuff.

I'm really disappointed with Sakura the most. She was introduced as having SO MUCH potential. While Naruto was struggling to even get Kage Bunshin correct, she had mastered the basic ninjutsu. When Kakashi was training all three, she was shown to have the best chakra control of all of them. Was this only some kind of odd metaphor for girls starting puberty earlier, and boys catching up later? Why did her obvious talents go to waste?

I mean, it would be so much better if she had extrapolated those talents into the present. She should be a jutsu MACHINE, knowing as many as Kakashi and being able to execute them with exact precision. On top of that, her excellent chakra-manipulation skills should have made her a natural at genjutsu.

...of course, the entire CLASS of genjutsu was made completely moot when Itachi first used Tsukuyomi and showed that the sharingan's genjutsu is naturally superior to everything, regardless of natural talents or training. Yet another example of the Uchiha fucking up everything else. Le sigh.
>> No. 72376
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>>72353
You hit the nail on the head. It's like how Dragon Ball went from this crazy, whimsical, if occasionally dark action-adventure story (pic related) to a series of tournament arcs with wasteland arenas. Something important was lost along the way for something infinitely more clumsy and lazy. The action is undeniably larger, but it's all so hollow, with little rhyme or reason. Interesting character relations are left at the wayside while tired, played out, and pandering ones are accentuated (you know the one).

Done correctly, the return of so many familiar characters could have made for a fine "grand finale" mood, but like you mentioned, it's rather terribly displayed under Kishi's pen.

The 'ninja' part of the series has gone from being its core foundation to a purely aesthetic conceit. These people are more like wizards than warriors at this point.

To be honest though, this tripe has subsumed the original premise of the story (he's all ready been accepted, so the rest is just fluff) so much so that I'm not sure how the story could have gone if it were done differently.

Any thoughts on how this series could have been improved and whatnot?
>> No. 72377
I blame Kakashi. He was a shitty uninvolved teacher and he ruined all three of his students.

He should've, on day one, gone to Sasuke and said "People die in this business. Sometimes a bunch of them. Focus on the ones that are alive instead of being a shit."

Instead he spent all that time teaching Sasuke -to the exclusion of his other students- a bunch of techniques that would just fuel his childish revenge fantasies.

He should have told Sakura "Stop standing around with a kunai being a useless fangirl." He could've dressed it up as "Clearly Sasuke respects power so go be powerful."

He should've gone to Naruto and actually like...taught Naruto. Rather than foisting him off on any/everyone else once he had the chance.

And he could've showed up for lessons on time!

>>72369
You're right in that the chuunin exam was the series' first foray into tactics and what it took to be a successful ninja.
But...you're kind of wrong in that the differences in gender usefulness were already pretty apparent by then.

That whole test was about looking at their ability to cheat effectively, in order to covertly gather intel and the like.

But Sakura...didn't cheat, and didn't really even catch on that she was SUPPOSED to, so she kind of failed that entirely. Hinata tried to do the equivalent of giving away state secrets to the enemy.

Then the forest of death happened and the most noteworthy thing I can remember any female character doing there was...Sakura standing around being useless until it was time for her to get punched in the face so that a cursed seal Sasuke could have something to be mildly indignant about when he woke up from his angst coma.

Then round three happened and there was that whole "I'm gonna cut my hair and take this stuff seriously and stop being useless" thing that...went nowhere. The only girl to win a match was Temari and that was just built on plot and she lost as soon as she went up against a guy.
>> No. 72379
>>72376
>Any thoughts on how this series could have been improved and whatnot?
No Uchichas and no eyemagic, to start with.

If I magically had control over the direction Naruto went, I'd have focused a lot more on the relationship dynamic I find the most interesting - a boy and his angry demon superweapon. The legitimate interaction with Kurama would have started way earlier, with conversations happening regularly instead of at the last resort, and all those other Jinchuriki would have had proper roles as the story went on instead of being sniped offscreen. Missions would be a thing again - short, several-chapter arcs where team 7 (minus Sasuke, who wouldn't exist) and a couple supporting characters face a problem and solve it (not always through combat, even.) (but mostly through combat.) The goal of mission arcs would be to world-build, kickstart character development, and keep the supporting cast in rotation so no one gets stuck in limbo for years. In between every few mission arcs would be a longer, more complicated arc, where shit get serious and stuff gets done.

What the tailed beasts are exactly and how they fit into the world would be in the forefront as an over-arcing mystery - there'd be some inconsistencies when comparing the myth to the reality, and the answers behind that, whatever they would be, would be uncovered as the series went on. When dealing with a Jinchuriki or something related to them, Kurama would either be a reluctant helper out of sating his own curiosity or an active hindrance - either way, it'd build their relationship, which would start out as mutual disgust and, throughout the story, slowly mature into mutual respect.

The alienation from the village would remain intact for longer, and be more insidious and less blatant discrimination. A constant suspicion of him rather than bullying, which would lead to him valuing trust over pretty much anything else. This would fuel his goal to become Hokage - wanting the village to trust and rely on him. There'd be a whole crop of new tension when Naruto begins seriously communicating with Kurama that would play out in the plot, too.

His goal to be Hokage would also have reasons beyond the face value of the title - a legitimate interest in politically improving the situation of hidden villages in relation to their countries, whatever that may be (that's what the world-building would be for.) There'd be less focus on inter-ninja conflicts and more on larger political conflicts where ninjas play a part. Unfortunately, being Naruto, he'd be constantly stalled in his quest through his own diplomatic fuck-ups.

Maybe it would end with Naruto and Kurama retracing the steps of the Sage of Six Paths and learning some sort of grand revelation (no, not the rinnegan, no eyemagic) while showcasing how they've both grown and matured because of the other. Or something like that.

So yeah! That's what I would have done.

...Welp, there went 15 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
>> No. 72384
>>72379
...I like it. It focuses on the people I'm most curious about. It would also make a more smoother transition to Naruto's and Kurama's current relationship.
>> No. 72386
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>>72377
>You're right in that the chuunin exam was the series' first foray into tactics and what it took to be a successful ninja.
>But...you're kind of wrong in that the differences in gender usefulness were already pretty apparent by then.

Your absolutely right, I went on a tangent without addressing my main point, my bad.

- Looking at gender and fighting capability in Naruto it's hard to say that there are many female characters that outright win their respective confrontations. This honestly makes what Madara said in >>72348 and the previous pages in this chapter hard to argue against.
- If winning a fight and/or having access to powerful techniques defines strength then sadly yes women in Naruto are functionally inferior to men because most fights involving a female end with them losing, or someone else showing up to help/avenge them.

- However. since I failed to connect what I said in >>72369 with the gender issue I'll try again. In the early parts of Naruto we introduced to the idea that Ninjas are weapons to be used by the state. A weapon is only as good as it is sharp, there is no need for weak weapons in an arsenal. Therefore, exams like the chunin exam are designed to weed out the strong from the weak within a given generation of shinobi. Those who are able to cope with the harsh conditions may find themselves promoted from Genin to chunin, or they might just live to see the exam another year. Generally speaking the losers wind up dead. So the important fact to remember is that not becoming a Chunin on your first try is not a negative thing, knowing when to fold is something vital to being a ninja. What is important is that each contestant is able to understand the conditions of their challenge and try their best to overcome them while ensuring their safety.

- In the Chunin exams we can look at Sakura and see how this conflict plays out. Up until now in the story, Sakura has been a glorified cheerleader. When the Land of Waves arc was going on she spent most of her time standing in front of an old man while Kakashi, Sasuke, and later Naruto did all of the fighting. She didn't do many ninja like things, nor did she display any real technical ability. What she was good at was providing limited commentary on the basics of ninjitsu, but that was more for the sake of the reader than the cast. And most times some threat was aimed at her, she froze up or fell back to a defensive position. Honestly, while I didn't hater her character in the early series she didn't have much to do with anything except being apart of the Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura Love triangle.

- Later during the second phase of the Chunin exam Sakura is forced into an uncomfortable situation. Both of her teammates have been incapacitated, she is trapped in hostile territory, and she has no idea when or where her opponents might attack. Not to mention that she is suffering from fatigue and possibly even lack of food and water. So how does she react? By laying several traps throughout the immediate area in order to neutralize her foes. Then shows up the Sound 3.
-Dosu immediately notices signs of traps being placed on the ground and all 3 move in for a vertical assault. But Sakura just smiles and releases another trap she set above that one in anticipation of her opponents moving to the air. yes Dosu just breaks the log into pieces, but what is important to know is that Sakura exercised forsight and forthinking. These are pivotal to the type of ninja she was becoming at this point.

- I'll keep the next couple of scenes brief. Rock Lee shows up, acts manly in protecting Sakura, and then gets his ears raped by Dosu dropping him out of the fight. The long haired girl (rin?) dodges around Sakura and grabs her hair, mocking her for the quality and luster it has. Pic related They taunt her because she of the situation she is in, and mock her for her weakness. Sakura is on the ropes, with nobody to protect her, nobody to watch her back, and with no real abilities or techniques to turn the battle in her favor.

- However, rather than fold in the face of 3 superior foes and risk losing her teammates Sakura does something different. She fights back with a vengeance. Sakura shows that while she doesn't have any unique techniques or abilities, she if more than capable of using her opponents thought processes against them. Sakura falls back to using the Substitution no justsu a general ninjitsu techniques used by everyone else. She then uses this to great effect to confuse and injure the the guy with the sound cannons in his arms.

- She does this even though she has no idea if backup will arrive to save her. She has no idea if she will even live past this confrontation. We then see Ino and her group watching from the bushes, and a flashback happens where we see that Sakura used to be a very shy and withdrawn child. Constantly bullied because of her appearance and with little to no self confidence. Ino gave her a hair band and shows Sakura to be happy about her features and Sakura is later shown being more outgoing. A rivalry forms between the two friends when it becomes revealed that both Sakura and Ino have feelings for Sasuke. The two friends part and have been rivals ever since...over a boy.
>andfeminismmarcheson.jpg

- It's right here where Sakura is still just a stereotypical female character motivated to do what she does because a) It is what is expected of her as a member of her village, and b) because she want's to follow Sasuke. It is also here where Sakura stops being that character and starts to become someone who would protect her friends, just like others have protected her.

- Yes it is true that someone swooped in to save the day, Ino and her crew were a minor distraction and ultimately it was curse-marked Sasuke to the rescue. But what I took away from this encounter was that Sakura had an epiphany regarding who she was and what kind of ninja she wanted to become.
- Sakura decided then and there that she wouldn't let her own personal shortcomings, Gender related or not, get between her friends and her duties. If memory serves, Sakura never grows back the back portion of her hair which could mean that she has moved past that part of her life.
- However, she does still exhibit some of her weaknesses past the Chunin exams. Namely her still pining after Sasuke when he decides to be emovil and leave with Orochimaru, but I don't hold that against her because at that point in the story she still has a crush on him. Plus simply acknowledging your weakness doesn't always give you immediate power over them.

- So my argument was just echoing what Tsunade said at the end of this chapter; "It's not the techniques I hold that give me strength, it's my will"
- If and when Tsunade lands some serious blow to zombie-Madara it won't be because she used her ancestors uber-hax techniques. It will be the same way Sakura and Hinata confronted their problems. It will be because she used what strength she has and reinforces it with her iron will. That is the true shinobi way.

- Hope this actually answers the question this time.
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>>72366

>Oh here we go again.jpeg

I wonder how long it's gonna take you to get banned this time.
>> No. 72391
So all I got from this chapter is the Kishimoto has bad luck with women and Madara is gay.
>> No. 72392
>>72379

The biggest problems seem to stem from the fact that the chuunin exams started so early; it'd be better if he put in a few more before they started. The chuunin exams introduced a fuckton of new people and team 7 was REALLY ill-prepared (Naruto had kage bunshin, Sasuke had sharingan and fire, Sakura had literally no named attacks). Not to mention the other countries that weren't sand or mist weren't really introduced until part 2. And even then, they just seemed like afterthoughts in the grand scheme of things.

Imagine if after the Zabuza arc, they had a few more big missions, each in different countries; and during those missions, imagine if they met or went with other teams (say, had to go with team 10 to Cloud, met up with team 8 who were on a different mission in Stone, etc...). It'd be easy world-building, and Kishi could place hints and foreshadowing so they wouldn't always be introduced when they were suddenly relevant (Sennin, Akatsuki, etc...). And if they went to all the countries but Sand, it would be make more of an impact when we meet the sand squad.

They could have all gotten new techniques (so they'd actually have some variety. And it would probably be made REALLY apparent how useless Sakura is early on, so maybe if fans chewed him out he'd have enough time to change his ways (and keep it like early Naruto where EVERYONE IS A WEAPON GAIS). Plus she could have got some genjutsu which is apparently her strong suit.

And then the relationships. With the extra time, the Konoha 11 could form stronger bonds. Naruto could have more people without being Narujesus. Sakura could come to terms with Ino earlier on. Sasuke could actually form some attachment to his teammates (and maybe have some internal conflict when he finally went rogue).

Plus there could have been some actual drama when Naruto was revealed to be a jinchuuriki (dear god I hated how Naruto was just like "hey guys I got the fox in me" and everyone else was like "k"). It was a real waste that the K11 didn't find out just why everyone in the village hated him, and then accept him anyway because POWER OF FRIENDSHIP YAAAAAAAAY.
>> No. 72394
>>72376
>Any thoughts on how this series could have been improved and whatnot?
If I had the power to make any changes I would look at the major themes ideas of the Story and focus more on them. You have:

1) Naruto wishes to gain acceptance from the village, he wants to be stop being hated for something he isn't even fully aware of and eventually become the Hokage. This would be a 180 degree turn from his original position because the Hokage acts as the center of a village on many levels, he is the pillar that helps support everything.

2) Continuing from the pillar analogy, the Hokage is one of many things that helps to support a village. The other vital component being the other citizens/shinobi living within the village. Naruto has a really good cast of characters with a fair amount of diversity. And ninja villages by nature are full of many unique people with very distinct abilities and backgrounds. Kishimoto doesn't maximize on this instead focusing on a smaller number of people and dangling the juicy bits just out of reach. I would incorporate more of the cast into the narrative, and maybe have smaller stories placed inbetween larger arcs that would feature or hi light a particular group.

3) Keep the definition of a ninja consistent. Like you said, at this point ninjas are just wizards with a different name. It bothers me that Kishimoto took such efforts telling us how ninjitsu works and now everyone in the story acts like those rules never existed. Chakra has limits, techniques only carry so far. You'll eventually run out of shuriken and kunai knives, and sometimes the environment will work against you. Being a ninja in early Naruto meant being someone who could quickly plan for the worst case scenario and formulate a new plan at the same time. (Ex. the first Chunin from the K11 was Shikimaru who was technically weaker the majority of the cast)

4) Focus more on world building early on. We know that hidden villages are just smaller regions within larger countries. But right now a war is occurring between just ninjas. Shouldn't each nation have their own fighting force independent of a small number of specialized fighters?
- The pecking order for politics should be The Nation > That Nations Daimyo > the regional lords > the Hokage
- What are the Daimyo's doing right now with someone literally trying to take over the world? If ninjas are supposed to be the Marines, where are the nations armies at? Their certainly not the samurai from the land of Iron who were supposed to be non-ninjustu based fighters capable of holding their own against super powered ninjas.
- Politics could be presented as a reason for more intense and dangerous missions as the situation with the world becomes more dire.

5) Spend more time on the story. Like >>72392 said, a lot happens in the chunin exams. Backgrounds are revealed, character relationships are explained, and here are our 3 protagonists terribly outmatched by just about everyone. There was a lot of information, but very little buildup to the things we learn. It's great as an isolated story but trying to move from that means having very little mystery left for the reader to look forward to.
-I like the chunin exams a lot, but it kind of feels that Kishimoto blew his load early on and the rest of Naruto just doesn't compare to this arc as well as they could.
>> No. 72396
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>>72376
>Any thoughts on how this series could have been improved and whatnot?
I had some, but then someone beat me to the punch.
>> No. 72397
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>>72392
>Sakura improving her genjutsu
Oh god, I just thought something up:

Some Sharingan user, I don't really care they're all douchebags, uses Tsukuyomi on Sakura. She's tied to the faux cross, everything looks pretty damn bleak.

Then THIS grey-skinned, pink-eyed, crazy bitch comes into the fray. (pre-empted by a massive cracking of knuckles like thunder) Mistakes the chump for one of her "ungrateful patients" and pulverizes his ass. In a twist, the beating lasts for days, the time compression somehow being maintained despite the illusionist getting the living daylights punched out of him.

Just a thought.

>>72379
>>72392
>>72394
Good stuff guys, good stuff. You guys still see the potential this series had that I and probably Kishimoto, lost sight of. Taking its time for World Building, Theme Refinement, and Character Interaction would've been a great boon to the book.

>>72396
Rock really does exemplify the initial virtues of the manga. Odd that.
>> No. 72403
OK so I have a lot of Ideas for how you could make the series significantly better. The biggest change I'd make would be to change the team structures. I'd have the teams be as follows:

1. Team Kakashi: Sasuke, Neji, Shino
2. Team Gai: Naruto, Lee, Hinata
3. Team Asuma: Shikamaru, Ino, Chouji
4. Team Kurenai: Sakura, Tenten, Kiba.

(Note that this was inspired by a post in a previous thread, although I'm pretty sure I altered it a bit)

Asuma's team is unchanged because Ino, Chouji, and Shikamaru's parents would have pulled strings to get their kids in together, just as they did in canon. Kakashi and Gai's teams were assembled based on the needs of the student: Kakashi got the arrogant geniuses, and Gai got the students who lack natural ability and need hard work and encouragement most of all. Gai's qualifications for his team are pretyt obvious, but the reason I gave those guys to Kakashi is that these arrogant shitheads need a teacher they can respect, like the world-famous Kakashi, and more importantly need to be taken down a peg. If they don't temper their arrogance before they're let out into the real world, they'll go off like they're hot shit and get killed by basically any jounin. Kakashi's temperament and talents make him eminently qualified to give them a taste of humility. Another change will be that Kakashi won't screw the pooch quite so hard.

Kurenai's team is pretty much just whoever's left, which is pretty much what happens when you have six kids with obvious and specific needs and another six who'll do fine under just about anybody. If parental string-pulling weren't locking in Asuma's team, there might be some switcharound (Sakura might switch places with Chouji, so Asuma could have charge of average genin who focus on strategery over physical ability) but either way not a big deal.

Obviously this spreads out the members of team seven over three different teams which you might think would cause problems in replicating the canon stories. But that's resolved by my second change: loosening up the team definitions. The team system as depicted in canon makes no fucking sense. It sounds great in theory to train your ninja kids to work well with their four-person cell, but when the rubber hits the road, these cells are broken up every single time. The climax of the chuunin exams. The sasuke-in-a-bucket arc. And of course, the current war arc, where everybody is assigned to divisions based on their abilities. Note that this sort of war and structure is exactly what they're training to fight in!

Working constantly with the same three people is great if you're always going to be working with those same three people, but in practice you aren't (especially given that your team's jounin is an important military asset, and will likely be called away on missions too dangerous for you to accompany him or her). So, it makes way more sense to give your ninja kids experience working with a variety of people and group dynamics! The teams are here your training teams: you train, spar, and learn how to be a better ninja with them. But when they send genin off on a mission, you might not be going with them. Depending on the needs of the mission and the whims of your instructors, you might be part of a team assembled from all four groups. It varies from time to time, so there's lots of opportunity for in-team development and interaction.
>> No. 72404
>>72403

As for the sharingan: Nerfed to hell. The Mangekyou Sharingan can stay as an upgraded version of the basic Sharingan, but none of the Amaterasu/Tsukiyomi bullshit, definitely no Susanoo and DOUBLE definitely no goddamned Izanami. Fuck all of that. Instead, it functions like Bradley's Ultimate Eye from FMA: in addition to giving you killer reflexes and the ability to see chakra, it takes in the information in front of you, and tells you which course of action to take for the best results.

I'd also toss out basically every single piece of politics Kishimoto ever wrote. It's all so bad. The very existence of the Daimyou and the Villages makes no fucking sense; Outsourcing your entire military to a bunch of mercenaries is not tenable in any way. Either eliminate the Daimyou and have the Kage actually be the country's leaders, or give the Daimyou a standing non-Ninja army, and have the Ninja act as specialists (Assassination, intelligence gathering, messengers, infiltration, saboteurs...you know, all that stuff that they were supposed to be training for that got pushed aside for out-and-out soldiery) to supplement them. Ninja would here be Casters in RTS speak: they'll only rarely win you a war on their own, but they make your army significantly more effective. I favor the second option, even though I hate the Daimyou. What a bunch of useless fat fucks.
>> No. 72405
>>72404

And Itachi...oh, Itachi. I would toss out every single bit of flashback concerning his motivations, and go with the one he told Sasuke: That he killed their family purely to ensure that Sasuke would go after him with a second pair of Mangyou Sharingan eyes, which Itachi could then steal and use forever. You could make him into a thematic element about how fucked up this nation of child-soldiers is, and how the drive to make himself a perfect weapon for his village basically drove him over the edge.

Hmm...that's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'd probably change Sasuke's post-timeskip design, too, it's seriously fucking balls.
>> No. 72406
>>72397
>Some Sharingan user, I don't really care they're all douchebags, uses Tsukuyomi on Sakura. She's tied to the faux cross, everything looks pretty damn bleak. Then THIS grey-skinned, pink-eyed, crazy bitch comes into the fray. (pre-empted by a massive cracking of knuckles like thunder) Mistakes the chump for one of her "ungrateful patients" and pulverizes his ass. In a twist, the beating lasts for days, the time compression somehow being maintained despite the illusionist getting the living daylights punched out of him.

They already did this during Sakura VS Fuen fight
>> No. 72407
>>72406
>Fuen

Who the fuck is...

>Filler character

Oh. Carry on, then, I suppose.
>> No. 72408
>>72407

Fire Temple isnt filler, it ties into Asuma's past
>> No. 72410
>>72408
If its something the anime crew added in its still filler
>> No. 72411
>>72408

Was it in the manga written by Masashi Kishimoto? If the answer is no, then it is filler.
>> No. 72412
Hey guys, what if after the series ends, a few of us get together and try to remake Naruto from after the Zabuza arc as a doujin?

We're pretty covered in the smart people department (>>72379 >>72392 >>72394 >>72403), so all we'd need is artists.

It'd be compact as hell (obviously), but it'd be nice if someone could show in plain view just what the series could have been.
>> No. 72413
>>72412
I somehow doubt some dumb Americans on 4chan are going to be able to top what one of the most successful comic creators in the world has done.
>> No. 72414
>>72410
So I guess all those anime not based on manga are filler.

So I guess Wakfu doesn't have filler then despite the thread on /co/ agreeing as such it has a fuckton of filler.

The word filler existed before what shounen kiddies started misusing it for. If it ties into the plot, it is not filler. It's how any non-anime has filler.
>> No. 72415
>>72412
>Hey guys, what if after the series ends, a few of us get together and try to remake Naruto from after the Zabuza arc as a doujin?
So like a Double K for Naruto?
>> No. 72416
>>72414
Stop bitching, words have different meanings depending on thier use and context.
>> No. 72417
>>72414

If it's there to fill space, it's filler. Everything not in the manga is filler - even if they shoehorn in relevance to character backstory! - because it exists for the purposes of filling time so the manga can re-establish its head start. It might develop characters, but it can't advance the plot.
>> No. 72418
>>72417
Naruto perfected his Ransenshuriken during the Fire Temple actually.

Zabuza's sword was handled differently in the anime as well, including Suigetsu retrieving it.

So nope, sorry.

Only filler episodes would be those random flashbacks or some Part 1 stuff. Fire Temple isn't though.

Next you'll try to argue Pokemon doesn't have filler since it has no manga to pad out, eh?
>> No. 72419
>>72418

>Naruto perfected his Ransenshuriken during the Fire Temple actually.

>Zabuza's sword was handled differently in the anime as well, including Suigetsu retrieving it.

Still filling time! Still delaying the advancement of the actual plot! Still filler! Filler's not necessarily the brand of death, in some cases (especially when the original source material is awful, as with Naruto) it can be better than non-filler stuff. But it's still filler.

Pokemon doesn't have filler because it doesn't have a plot to advance period.
>> No. 72420
>>72419
>(especially when the original source material is awful, as with Naruto)
>Pokemon doesn't have filler because it doesn't have a plot to advance period.

Oh I see, you're a troll. Carry on then.
>> No. 72421
>>72420
Ha ha
it's cute because I think you're serious
:3
>> No. 72423
>>72415

What's a Double K?
>> No. 72424
>>72423
It's having two helpings of Special K in the morning instead of one.
>> No. 72425
>>72423

http://doublek.thewebcomic.com/

Gurren Lagann doujin basically that's actually really well done and really funny
>> No. 72426
>>72425
>doujin
>American guy

Nope.
>> No. 72428
>>72426
Your prejudice is making you miss out on one of the best webcomics on the internet. Your loss.
>> No. 72429
>>72428
*clicks*
>terrible Art that makes Scott Pilgrim look good
>Simon in drag
>Stupid humor

Nope.avi

And it's not prejudice, it's just a simple fact. Doujin is a Japanese word, stop applying it to American things, weeaboos. Especially if it's going to use an American art style and humor.
>> No. 72430
>>72429
Thx for your opinion but im just gonna dump it in this trashcan next to the post from that misogyny dude
>> No. 72431
>>72429
>And it's not prejudice
1.) "Prejudice" means "judging without personal experience." Which is exactly what you did.
2.) Double K doesn't use the word "doujin."
3.) English doesn't have as short and obvious a term for "self-published amateur comic, most frequently in the form of fanworks of established comics."
4.) Using handy loanwords from foreign languages for concepts that don't exist in your own language is not an egregious example of adopting foreign cultures, unless you think psychologists are Germanophiles for adopting "schedenfreude" or people who refer to a particular type of assassin as "ninja" are weeaboos as well.
5.) People in the anime and manga fandom will often use the word "doujin" to refer to english-language original products even though they're not Japanese because other people in the fandom will understand exactly what they mean, and only assholes will whine about it.
>> No. 72432
>>72431
>3.) English doesn't have as short and obvious a term for "self-published amateur comic, most frequently in the form of fanworks of established comics."

It doesn't really need one? You can just write "self-published indie comic" or "small press comics" or "fancomics" and people get the idea.
>> No. 72433
>>72432
You could also just say "Japanese animation" instead of anime, but what's the point when there's a pithier alternative that the people you're talking to will understand anyway? Other than lexical snobbery, I mean.
>> No. 72437
>>72433
>You could also just say "Japanese animation" instead of anime, but what's the point when there's a pithier alternative that the people you're talking to will understand anyway?

Well for starters, you have to use that alternative in the correct context. Secondly you have to not be a defensive asshole about your choice of words if they're deliberately wrong:

>People in the anime and manga fandom will often use the word "doujin" to refer to english-language original products even though they're not Japanese because other people in the fandom will understand exactly what they mean, and only assholes will whine about it.

See, since we're trading examples, this is why people get petty about terms like 'Mary Sue'. People mis/ab/use terms to get a point across - not the one the term implies (this character is a badly-written self-insert; this is a Japanese-produced fan comic) but one along a similar line that they assume other people will 'get' (this character is badly written; this is a fan-produced comic) - but you're watering down the definition of the term and making it a meaningless buzzword and almost certainly getting peoples' backs up about it, even if you're not doing it on purpose and don't want the whole thing to turn into a pedantic shitstorm. "Weeaboo" is another example.
>> No. 72438
Oh my god, who cares?
>> No. 72439
How do you guys keep falling for such obvious, blatant trolls?
>> No. 72440
>>72439
Because they want to be the troll.
>> No. 72443
>>72396
Can't wait to see the Springtime of Youth animated adaption
>> No. 72482
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72482
This is a little offtopic but it really was a waste that the fancy 'White Light Chakra Sabre' was destroyed basically as soon as it appeared in the flashback.
It would have been cool to have Kakashi bring it out as an adult.
>> No. 72483
>>72482

Wasn't that blade the same concept as Asuma's (now Shikamaru's) trench knives, that channel the chakra of whoever is using it? It would make sense that the thing would basically become a LIGHTsaber when using lightning-nature chakra with it.
>> No. 72487
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72487
I wonder how hard that is to animate.
>> No. 72494
>>72487

Considering a good portion of it is conspicuous CGI... probably not that hard at all.

On that note, did anyone else think the way they animated the giant chasm opening in the ocean (which was revealed to be all paper) was a lot less impressive than how it appeared in the manga? I haven't quite figured out why that is, either; but I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the anime showed a much larger area, and thus the sheets of paper looked teeny-tiny, almost appearing to be low-res water droplets.
>> No. 72495
>>72494
Plus they were more obviously CG.
>> No. 72508
>>72487
ever watch read or die?
>> No. 72510
Does anyone remember that scene where Naruto, without fully understanding what is happening, promises to have a baby with some lady?

I can't remember where that is from, it might have been the movies.
>> No. 72511
>>72510

Wasn't that Goku?
>> No. 72513
>>72511
With chichi yeah, but Naruto did it too, I recall him saying believe it and the rest of his team flipping their shit.
>> No. 72517
>>72510

That was with that girl Shiori, right? Wasn't she from filler/a movie?
>> No. 72518
>>72517

Yup.
>> No. 72520
>>72517
>>72518
Any idea what movie or filler?
>> No. 72521
>>72520

Nope, just that if that did happen, it didn't happen in the manga.
>> No. 72524
>>72520
I seem to recall something like that in the movie with the Ninja Princess in it, but I can't swear to that.
>> No. 72526
>>72520

The lady Naruto promises to knock up is called Shion and she is from Naruto: Shippuden the Movie.
>> No. 72545
File 133104351410.jpg - (177.99KB , 768x1295 , naruto the movie 4.jpg )
72545
>>72526
Yup, that's the one, thanks.
>> No. 72546
>>72545
Question: Why does Hinata have purple eyes?
>> No. 72547
File 133104522713.jpg - (19.91KB , 600x308 , shion_or_hinata__by_jeanpaulbm.jpg )
72547
>>72546
She's wearing contact, obviously she felt like a bit of a change image-wise, its why she dyed her hair.
>> No. 72569
Tsunade confirmed for strongest kage this chapter.
>> No. 72572
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72572
>>72569
"She's slower than the Raikage....but she's stronger than him."
>> No. 72575
File 133112900025.jpg - (112.78KB , 800x1153 , rock-lees-springtime-of-youth-3121733.jpg )
72575
This is still the best thing ever.
>> No. 72585
>>72569
I think you might be wrong.

DEAD wrong.
>> No. 72586
>>72575
>>Hinata uses Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Yay!

Really that technique should be canon, Hinata actually developping her own move? Anime Hinata is more developed than manga Hinata

and...is it wrong I want to see Hinata in the Green jumpsuit now?
>> No. 72587
>this chapter
W...what's going on?
>> No. 72589
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72589
>>72585
eh-ho ho ho

>>72587
What is confusing you about it?
>> No. 72594
>>72589
As someone who checked in out of curiosity, I can't tell what the fuck is going on in this. The action is very... muddy.
>> No. 72595
Wait, Tsunade is now stronger than Raikage? WTF? When did this happen??

Oh, and I love how she is so sure that her jutsu is exclusive to her. Kind of like how the Rinnegan was exclusive to the Sage, Sharingan to Uchihas, Shadow Clone to Naruto, Mangekyo to Itachi...

I bet Shizune and Sakura can both do it. I'll bet Sakura can do it even better, 'cause... well, that's just how this manga works.
>> No. 72596
You know, when Madara says Tsunade is stronger then the Raikage, I'm pretty sure he's talking about physical strength. And if you're surprised about Tsunade punchan hard, well, what manga have you been reading?
>> No. 72598
>>72596

That might be an okay explanation, but the Raikage's whole deal is super-strength and super-speed. Tsunade's is super-strength and healing. You would think raw momentum and inertia from his larger bulk would contribute to the Raikage having an edge over Tsunade's particular brand of power.

If it was Tsunade capable of putting more sustained force into pushing him back or slowly cracking it, that would be one thing. It'd be different from the raw burst the Raikage puts out. If he was saying that her chakra combined with her strength was cracking it, that would be another since I assume her powers are different from his Lighning aura.

But all we have is "this is moving slower and has less mass but it hits harder," and it's presented as a casual observation so frankly that's...kinda bonkers.
>> No. 72604
>>72596
Tsunade = Paladin
Raikage = Rogue
>> No. 72607
>"this is moving slower and has less mass but it hits harder,"

That's because of how Tsunade's strength technique works. It doesn't rely on musculature or how fast you fist is moving. Instead, the user gathers chakra in the relevant limb and releases it with "pinpoint precision". The power output you get is dependent on your chakra control. All we really learned is that Tsunade's chakra control is good enough to overcome the advantages in mass and speed the Raikage has.

I'm still kinda surprised people are surpised by this. I mean yeah, A is a pretty strong dude. But he's not the be all end all of strength. Bee bested his strongest lariat in his friggin base form. No Hachibi chakra required. Besides, Tsunade swong around Bunta's sword like it was nothing. The only strength feats we've seen that can rival that have come from sage mode users.
>> No. 72608
>>72598
I agree. Tsunade's whole schtick is that she is a medical ninja that is not just a squishy white mage. However when compared to the Raikage, an individual who is both a walking tank and a speedy combatant, we have to realize that moving fast while delivering an earth shattering punch >>>> moving slow while delivering an earth shattering punch.
An I the only one here thinking that Kishimoto is just trying to make Tsunade look badass after having her be useless the last fight?
>> No. 72609
>>72598
Tsunade's strength has nothing to do with the physical. Its due entrely to Chakra control. Its a fantasy world full of people with magic and superpowers, trying to apply real world physics to this hit is kind of dumb. Remeber how Zabuza walked around carrying a sword that would have weighed roughly half a ton, and waved it arund one handed no less... Yeah.
>> No. 72611
>>72598
Tsunade's strength has nothing to do with the physical. Its due entrely to Chakra control. Its a fantasy world full of people with magic and superpowers, trying to apply real world physics to this hit is kind of dumb. Remeber how Zabuza walked around carrying a sword that would have weighed roughly half a ton, and waved it arund one handed no less... Yeah.
>> No. 72612
>>72611

The other explanations regarding releasing Chakra at the right time work out, but saying "she's just magic!" doesn't because so is the Raikage. He uses chakra to move and strike with the speed and punch of lightning, it's not like he's just Uber-powerful.
>> No. 72613
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72613
I... I don't see why there should be any confusion? Yeah, A's strong. Tsunade is just way stronger. There's never been anything in the manga that would make us think A is as strong as the utterly insane strength Tsunade has shown. A's technique lets him GOES FAST, which results in him hitting pretty hard, but Tsunade's technique is completely FOCUSED on hitting really fucking hard.

I gotta admit, It's always fun to watch Tsunade punch people. I don't think she's even close to being out of the game as her other big technique is regeneration
>> No. 72614
>>72611
You need to remember that ninja arts are broken up into 3 large categories.
1) Ninjutsu - chakra based special arts
2) Taijutsu - physical (though not chakra-less) based special arts
3) Genjutsu - mental based arts

Tsunade's punching ability is a purely physical act meaning that it is a taijutsu based skill. It can be reinforced and augmented with chakra but that does not override the physical aspect of the technique.

Look at Rock Lee, in his fight with Gaara. Initially he is unable to punch through the sand barriers using basic taijutsu. This requires him to unlock more of his own bodies potential with the chakra gates. Same punches with more momentum = more powerful blows.

In this same way Tsunade and the raikage may be equal in strength on a physical level, but combined with his ability to deliver the same punches with greater momentum the Raikage clearly outclasses Tsunade in raw physical damage.
>> No. 72615
>>72614

But there is nothing that says Tsunade and the Raikage ARE equal in strength on a physical level. At least, nothing I remember seeing.
>> No. 72616
>Tsunade's punching ability is a purely physical act meaning that it is a taijutsu based skill.

Nope, its a medical technique that enhances strength. Chakra based. Tsunade punches harder then the Raikage. Deal with it.
>> No. 72618
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72618
>>72616
>Nope, its a medical technique that enhances strength. Chakra based. Tsunade punches harder then the Raikage. Deal with it.

Seriously? That's the Urna Technique, a specialized version of her Yin seal. It allows her to tap into a reserve of chakra she has stored within the yin seal to facilitate the continual regeneration of her bodies cells. Keep in mind that the Tsunade is like 50 years old. She doesn't normally look that young, so in order to maintain her youthful look and strength she uses the transformation technique on a continual basis. It causes a drain on her chakra reserves so the Yin seal allows her to replenish it and continue fighting.

What she basically did was pop in new batteries.
>> No. 72619
>>72615
I didn't mean that they were literally the same strength. Just that if they were on equal physical levels, the Raikage would still hit harder due to his momentum. Sorry for the mix up.
>> No. 72620
I think I figured it out. What Tsunade is doing is either: 1) Using chakra to force her body to hit harder than normally (similar to Lee/Gai when opening a Gate or seven). or 2) Using a burst of chakra out of the end of her fist, like a much less gentle version of Gentle Fist, or akin to strapping a stick of dynamite to a hammer and whacking something with it.

Either way, her body would be highly damaged by these actions, which explain why she can't do it normally. Now that she's activated Wolverine no Jutsu, however, she can regenerate from anything instantly, and so can tear her muscles to shreds or make her fists into bombs with no risk of death or incapacitation.

Frankly, her strength at this point would be in a completely new league compared to before, and would enable her to hit harder than anyone else — regardless of her base strength beforehand — courtesy of transcending human natural limits, including the limits Raikage has. I'm just wondering what the drawback is going to be...
>> No. 72621
>>72620
Well we know she reverts to her naturally aged appearance after she uses this technique, maybe in addition to not being pretty for awhile it puts stress on her system, but then again lots of people have techniques that do that they shrug off fairly easily.
>> No. 72624
>>72621
Yeah, if memory serves correct the first time she was shown using the Urna technique against Orochimaru, after the fight was over she was out of commission for a little. She still used her transformation technique to look young, but her body was a wreck.
>> No. 72658
I think Kishi loves trolling his characters too much.

Friggin eye magic.
>> No. 72663
I think Anon loves trolling /jam/ too much.

Friggin triple posts.
>> No. 72674
>>72663
Board's been timing out on me all day. Third time.
>> No. 72687
>>72674
You can delete your posts here.

Also if you timeout don't hit refresh, open up +4 in a seperate window and you might notice it has got through, or just hit back on the timed-out tab.
>> No. 72696
>>72687
Yeah I know, I already did. Its just that I didn't notice this time.
>> No. 72700
>>72412

Fun idea, never going to actually happen in practice.
>> No. 72724
Hm, they've started putting Chibi Lee stuff into the omakes at the end of the episodes. I guess the anime team needs the practice!
>> No. 72725
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72725
>>72204
So after seeing this image about a dozen times, I decided to fix it. Well, maybe less fix and more "making the obvious edit." You're welcome.
>> No. 72733
Sasuke: Itachi, what are you doing?
Itachi: Spilling blood on the floor.
Sasuke: Those are our own parents; why in the world are you spilling their blood on the floor?
Itachi: Because I've lost control of my life.

Itachi: Here's your dead Uchiha clan, Madara.
Madara: Oh, that's okay Itachi-kun. I'm not murderous anymore.
Itachi: .................... AAAAAAHHHHHGGGGGHHHH!!!
>> No. 72734
>>72733

Sakura: Naruto what're you doing?

I'M NOT NARUTO!
>> No. 72736
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72736
>>72734

I couldn't resist, it was just too perfect.
>> No. 72794
I'm a big brave fox
I'm a big brave fox
I'm a big brave fox

SON GOKU HUNGRY, SON GOKU WANT EAT

HALT I AM MANDA
HALT I AM MANDA
HALT I AM MANDA
>> No. 72835
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72835
Colours; animation provides them.
>> No. 72837
How the fuck do you people watch this shit when it's so plastered with QUALITY?
>> No. 72841
>>72837
Via the same logic that makes them read it when it's plastered with QUALITY
>> No. 72843
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72843
WELP
>> No. 72846
>>72843
GOD!

HE'S LIKE THE FINAL BOSS OF JADE EMPIRE!
>> No. 72847
>>72843

...Why did A shout "GO!!"? Maybe it was supposed to be "No!!"? Oh well.
>> No. 72848
>>72835
How Kishimoto decides Sharingan battles
>> No. 72852
>>72837
>>72841
I just want to see it end

But goddddd this translation is killing me and this fight with madara is kinda the most bullshit thing i've seen
>> No. 72854
I'm kinda wondering. Consider the zombies are... well, dead and all, where are they getting the chakra to use jutsu?? They have no solid physical form, so thus no physical energy; and I don't think it's legal for a dead person to have spiritual energy. Even if they DID, a lack of physical energy would make chakra creation impossible.

Considering it's probably just... floating in from nowhere, then, does that mean that Madara has an infinite supply of chakra?

Because... you know, way back in the day, running out of chakra was really a kinda important thing. I'm getting the feeling that was totally thrown out the window.
>> No. 72860
>>72854
>back in the day, running out of chakra was really a kinda important thing. I'm getting the feeling that was totally thrown out the window.

Yes.
>> No. 72861
>>72854
Nonononono, Kabuto said that the jutsu had no weaknesses...no risks.

So its all cool man, no worries.
>> No. 72865
I think you need to have both the Sharingan and Senju DNA in order to mind control Kurama like Tobi did.
The trees are important.
>> No. 72870
>>72843
Man all this wank is so retarded.
>> No. 72876
Soooo when's someone gonna make a new thread?
>> No. 72921
>>72876
Probably next issue. Or you know, do it yourself.
>> No. 72931
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72931
>>72861
Except...ITACHI!!!
>> No. 72937
He'll use whatever it is that makes illusions reality.
I forget the name at the moment.
>> No. 72967
You know, if this whole thing with Itachi can turn Sasuke to the good side without there being a big climactic battle with Naruto, I'm totally ok with that. Seriously, anything to make Sas less of a douche quicker, I'm all for!
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