>>143524
Why does only the demo get to wear those shades? Is it because he's black like Kanye?

Looking to trade my Big Country (engie mullet) for a hat/misc I like more.

Will take:
Surgeon's Stalhelm
Scotch Bonnet
Rogue's Col Roul
Couvre Corner
Planeswalker Goggles
Summer Shades
Merc's Pride Scarf
Deus Specs
Professors Speks

"Let's see what I've got in my bag... BULLETS!"

TF2 Review : The Demoman
Heh.

Hurray! Due to trading I finally have all the weapons (craft only dopplegangers aside) except for the newest pyro weapons, the spycicle, the eureka effect, or the holiday punch.

Hurray!

Ok, the moment that some of us were looking for, who is going to be the fortunate owner of the Backpack Expander?
I checked many times the last thread, and the brave ones that made it this far are:
- Chainerman
- BLINK
- Slowpoke
- Autonymoose
- Thomas Funky Edison
- Miley Cyrus
I'm a bit surprised that, considering the number of users, no more more players joined, shit's free after all. Oh well

There can be only one! So from those 6 players, the one who is going to take this considerably valuable and useful item, the one whose backpack is going to get expanded; THE WINNER IS

going to be announced in the next 10 posts

Hey all!
BLINK here with another template!
Building off my old workshop wishlist ( >>136472 )
I went ahead and built this tall monster that'll let you share your loadouts with each other.

And some class specific ones too.

Just open up in photoshop and go to the TF2 wiki, pick your gear and drag and drop the transparent models onto these files in the right slot.

>>143557
>>143558
>>143554
>>143555
>>143556

Oh no, YOU DON'T BLINK.

You are ruining my deliberated moment of tension!

>>143559
My bad, didn't even see your post.
Just saw the thread and started uploading my stuff.
I've only got a few more to go before I finish the 9, so please bear with me.
I apologize for the inconvenience and please fell more than free to ignore all of these posts as tickers on your post counter.

>>143563

I'm just kidding, mate. I said 10 posts, so after the 10 posts I will post who is the winner.

And the last one.

Hope you guys can get some use out of these.


I also want to apologize to SWI for ruining the American Idol style tension he was building.
I guess if he wants I can try to delete the 'singles' wait for the 10 posts, then re-upload them.

ALRIGHT, the winner is

ME. Yay for me!

>>143568
Congratulations!

Ok, serious time. The real owner of this backpack expander is... I will give you a not-so-subtle clue.

>>143570
Hurray!

Congrats, Miley!
Everyone else, you win...more weapons than you probably need, but not enough to be useful for metal making...
But still, consolation prizes.
Runners-up all win 12 weapons, Miley wins 18 and gets first pick.
I'll add all you guys later and get this shit sorted out, but yeah, congrats all!

Eeep sorry I've been AFK. I tend to just keep my status as busy cause I'm not at the pc most times, so sorry to delay this gifting extravaganza.

If you send me a message on Steam I'll try to get back to it asap :I

>Have the most Refined I've ever had (8)
>Have spare bootleggers and want the brimstone misc
>Have haunted scrap metal for the halloween hats
>Want some Strange Festives and other hats
>Selling market is probably shit so close to post holiday
What do /cog/?

>>143631
Oh and I have a Jingle Belt up for trade I guess if anyone's interested.
I like it and all, but the jingling sound it makes when you walk kind of gets on my nerves for some reason.

>>143633
What do you want for that Jingle Belt?

>>143579
If you don't catch me for a while and wanna send off the rest of the weapons to people, the only items I need atm are:
Buffalo Steak Sandvich
Maul
Wanga Prick
Unarmed Combat
Phlogistinator
Manmelter
Eureka Effect
Three Rune Blade
Spycicle
Holiday Punch
Fishcake
Apocofists
Sharp Dresser

So mostly craft skin stuff and the newest stuff. Anything aside from that, I'll take as many flare guns as possible and then just random junk to fill my inventory with :I

Thanks~

Miley, I have a Bufalo Steak for ya!

>>143645
Preferably a hat or another Misc. item from the list bellow.
Not sure what in your inventory (if anything) you're looking to get rid of.


>Looking for (in want order):

HATS:
- Team Captain (for a 'set' idea)
- Bubble Pipe
- Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative (for a 'set' idea)
- Connoisseur's Cap
- Lumbricus Lid
- Surgeon's Stahlhelm
- Brain Bucket
- Scotch Bonnet

MISC:
- A Whiff of the Old Brimstone
- Fancy Dress Uniform (for a 'set' idea)
- The Outback Intellectual (for a 'set' idea)
- Merc's Pride Scarf (for a 'set' idea)
- Last Breath
- Lucky No. 42
- Apparition's Aspect
- Pocket Medic
- Large Luchadore

WEAPONS:
- Strange Festive Medigun
- Strange Festive Sniper Rifle/ Strange Sniper Rifle (depends if the lights are actually lights and shine in the dark)
- Strange Festive Rocket Launcher (failing that, Strange Rocket Launcher)
- Eureka Effect
- Festive Sticky Bomb Launcher


Unfortunately I traded in all my Metal to the warehouse.

Does anyone have any recommended loadouts for the Scout, Soldier, Heavy, Engineer, or Spy?
Offensive, Defensive, or Just For Fun; I'm looking for just about anything.

Other than the usuals like:
Delivery Boy set/ Default for the Scout, Rocket Launcher/ Blackbox + Shotgun and Equalizer for the Soldier, or Enforcer+Eternal Reward+Cloak and Dagger for the Spy.

Didn't even read that I'd won anything until Slowpoke messaged me. Big thanks for the goodies!

>>143727
I fuck around more than I actually play, but
>Scout
Soda Popper, Pistol, Fan o' War. Minicrits fucking everywhere. Fun as tits.
>Soldier
Rocket Jumper, Gunboats, Pain Train.
...I just have fun seeing people assume that you're gonna be dishing out colossal damage cause you're a Soldier, meanwhile you're all but worthless.
>Heavy
Football Helm, any minigun, Shotgun, GRU. Name yourself Special Needs Heavy. Use only the shotgun for attacking, the GRU for getting around. Any time anyone refers to you as a Heavy, insist you're a Scout.
>Engineer
Widowmaker, Pistol, Gunslinger. Minisentries for primary means of attacking, Widowmaker when you're close enough to gain metal while dealing damage. Pistol for attacking at mid-long range with your minisentry.
>Spy
Enforcer, Knife/Spycicle, Dead Ringer.
Troll. Troll constantly.

>>143730
Oh, and no problem!

>>143727
On my Engineer, I've got the Pomson 6000, Short Circuit, and Eureka Effect. The Pomson and Eureka promote a lot of hit-and-run gameplay; pecking at approaching opponents to lure them back in front of your sentry, or using the wrench to make quick escapes when the situation looks bad. I pretty much use the Short Circuit just because I'm bad at using the Pistol and I can never find an opportunity when the Wrangler is actually more helpful than the sentry's autotarget.

>>143733
>Rocket Jumper
>Gunboats

>>143748
Ya, you're supposed to use Mantreds with the Rocket Jumper.

>>143733
Ment the Dead Ringer, but said Cloak and Dagger. It's been a long time since I've used a C&D, so I've got a question: Does the L'Trigger recharge the watches recharge time quicker? It might be a better choice as the Enforcer has a distinctive sound and is only ever paired with the C&D.
Also I envy you for somehow magically making the Fan O' War moderatly useful.


Thanks guys for the suggestions! If of you have any more, please let me know as I'd love to use them. I'm bored of the usual and am having a bit of difficulty picking through all the options.
Specifically pairing the Soda Popper up with the scout or any of the Soldiers alternative gear (like the banners and non Equalizer weapons).
I just can't seem to get the Banners to go off much due to lack of pocket Medics and none of the melees seem to outshine the Equalizer. Also the Rocket Launchers are all so similar in function and use. Except the mangler which is now pretty worthless.

>>143748
>>143753
Right, but like he said >>143733
>...I just have fun seeing people assume that you're gonna be dishing out colossal damage cause you're a Soldier, meanwhile you're all but worthless.

>>143748
>>143753
That's the joke!
The Rocket Jumper deals no damage, the Gunboats don't do anything except take up a secondary slot, and the Pain Train makes you more vulnerable to bullets(although I guess it isn't totally useless, you can rocket-jump to points in no time).
But because you're a Soldier, low-HP classes still flip the fuck out and run away, you still get ubered by medics etc.
It's funny to me, especially when people notice they aren't taking damage from your rockets, and just sorta pause. But, again
>I fuck around more than I actually play

>>143761
I don't know, I think having mantreads on would make it funnier, just for the off chance that you actually kill someone with them. It would give them pause to think, "Wait, did someone just kill me by fucking falling on me? Do I suck THAT much?"

>>143762
I'm hoping they'll get around to making Strange Mantreads, which of course would record the number of kills by falling on people. If they make it, I will get hold of one, get a nametag for it, rename it 'Boot to the Head', and make an actual effort to level it up. Because a Hale's Own Mantreads would be the most hilarious thing ever.

>>143753
Fan o war is good if you play scout like spy\pyro and just sneak up on groupsof people.

>>143753
Fan o war is good if you play scout like spy\pyro and just sneak up on groupsof people.

>>143727
For Soldier, I use Black Box, Buff Banner and Disciplinary Action. I stay behind a little, mostly trying to do damage to fill up the Buff Banner instead of getting kills. I whip people as the pass me, mostly heavys, to get them to the front line faster. And since you take little damage and heal yourself anyway, you don't need to bother the medics.

>>143771
I guess that's what I've got a problem with. As a Scout I tend to creep off and engage in isolated surprise attacks or 1 on 1 fights so getting into a group or head on situation seems counter-intuitive to the class.
On the other hand, if there was a Scout secondary or primary weapon that decreased weapon swap time I could see it being a little more handy.

>>143772
I'll have to try giving that a shot. I figured the Japanese one (forget the name) would be easier to fill as it increases with both damage dealt and received. Also the Cowmanger actually seems like it would be a good fit with its infinite ammo and thus spamability.

>>143762
Rocket Jumper, Mantreds, and an Equalizer to run away with.
If someone could pull that off I'd love to see it. The Soldier Shoes (and also the Market Gardener) are pretty worthless most of the time, but I would absolutely lose my shit to see a pro roll around with the rocket jumper and mantreds goomba stomping everyone on the map.


Thanks again for the suggestions guys!

Scoot: Festive Scattergun, Mad Milk, Wrap Assassin
-Scattergun is best gun. Mad Milk and Wrap Assassin piss off Heavies when used together
Solja 1: Direct Hit, Battalion's Backup, Equalizer
-Direct Hit for massive damage
Solja 2: Original, Reserve Shooter, Disciplinary Action
-Spankings
Pyro: Degreaser, Flare Gun, Homewrecker
-I'm helping! Also, Degreaser so I can main the flare gun and quick switch to the flamethrower when I need to.
Demoman: Loch n Load, Sticky Bomb Launcher, Frying Pan
-Yes I still use stickies
Heavy: Tomislav, Family Business, Fists of Steel
-Main the shotgun. MAIN THE SHOTGUN. Switch between Fists and Shotgun, take out tomislav when trapped.
Engineer: Shotgun, Vintage Lugermorph, Southern Hospitality
-Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeed
Medic: Overdose, Quick Fix, Ubersaw/Bonecutter
-BATTLE MEDIC. I never play the primary medic, sorry.
Sniper: N/A
-I just keep switching Sniper stuff. I don't play it enough to have a preference. I just hit things with my kukri
Spy: Enforcer, Enthusiast's Timepiece, Conniver's Kunai
-Go out with a bang

Finally! Got a Hero's Hachimaki, one of the hats I've been looking for like crazy since it was released.

>>143795
Wait, does Madmilk do its thing for ticks on bleed?
If so that milk/ wrap assassin combos pretty damn clever.

For the Sniper, the best set up (in my opinion) is the Machina/ Bargain, SMG, and Shiv. Give that a try.
Use the Machina if you're not good with headshots as it's an easymode weapon, the SMG helps with moving around to sniping spots as you'll want to keep switching things up thanks to the killcam and trail, and the Shiv is one of the better Sniper Melee weapons. Also the bleed effect is obviously handy against spies.
If you use the Bargain you can usually get away with the Razorback instead of the SMG if you feel like camping.

Thanks again for more suggestions, it's always nice to see what other people are using with how many options there are in the game now.

One question: Does the mangler deal splash damage and can you rocket jump with it?
I've never bothered with using it, but I'm curious to know what secrets it holds since it's really the only soldier primary that's sufficiently different enough than the rest save maybe the Direct Hit.

>>143792
>Also the Cowmanger actually seems like it would be a good fit with its infinite ammo and thus spamability.
Yes, but ammo isn't really that much of a problem if you sit back. The only other players looking for ammo that far back are snipers and enemy spies. So having a weapon requiring ammo can actually be a good thing too since picking it up can prevent spies from filling up their cloaks.

>>143818
>One question: Does the mangler deal splash damage and can you rocket jump with it?
Yes to both.

Still looking to trade my Big Country engineer mullet for any of the following:

Surgeon's Stalhelm
Scotch Bonnet
Rogue's Col Roul
Couvre Corner
Planeswalker Goggles
Summer Shades
Merc's Pride Scarf
Deus Specs
Professors Speks

>>143846
Also:
trading Full games Eufloria, Secret of the Magic Crystal | coupons Arkham City 25%, Capsized 50%,GMod 75%.
LF B/W Paint,hats,misc items, whatever

Also also also trading everything on page one of my inv. Most of it is stuff I got from the contest, so I'll trade it off cheap one to one for whoever needs it. (get me by the end of today to ensure I don't craft it)

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995055816

>>143719
Forgot Brigade Helm, Old Guadalajara, and Cadavers Cranium on the hat list and the Sharp Dresser, Man Melter, and Maul to the weapon list.


>>143802
Congrats! It looks pretty sharp with the Kringle Collection.


Now more workshop items you should consider uprating:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6286
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6062
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5594
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6287
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3821
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3737
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6123
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5391
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5867
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6143
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6257
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5946
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6268
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=6282
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3551
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5987
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5864
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5066
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=4593
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5701
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5515
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=5598

Oh, so here's an offer.
I've got $20 in my Steam wallet, but such an extensive backlog of games to play that I can't really justify buying anything else for myself right now(except maybe Half-Life 2 and Episode 1, cause Charles Barkley's a bro and gave me Episode 2).
So if anyone wants a game, I'll buy it for you and trade it for TF2 items, I guess!
Standard conversion rate is 80 cents per refined, and $1.80 per key, so if you want a $19.99 game, that's exactly 25 refined, or 11 keys and a couple scrap.

Also, Mesias, you still interested in Old World Blues?

>>143846
Alternatively, I'll take a mann co paper hat for it.

Not for crafting, I just want one.

>>143795
>>143818

I personally play a Piss Sniper build: Sydney Sleeper, Jarate, and Bushwacka. The objective isn't to get kills so much as it is to ensure maximum piss-spread. If someone gets up close, hit 'em with Jarate and go for the one-hit kill with the Bushwacka. Takes people by surprise.

>>143891
It's pretty good at blocking rushes, I just wish the kill-feed wasn't so stingy with assists when you use the Sydney Sleeper.

With Jarate you get an assist for everyone you coat that dies, even if the mini-crits didn't matter like with a backstab. With the Sydney Sleeper you're coating them [i]and[/b] taking a big chunk off their health, but half the time you get nothing.

New update:
1. Holiday items got unique craft recipes.
2. New Soldier hat, The Lucky Shot (his regular helmet but with a tiny bomb
3. Bombinomicon doesn't shake the screen anymore and has a delay so Spies and Snipers will have an easier time telling they were what caused the death.
4. Fixed a Bazaar Bargain glitch where it would get heads for all shots made while crit-boosted, even misses.
5. Fixed the bug that made Strange Ullapool Cabers only count kills made with the melee weapon instead of the explosion.

Finally was able to use that 'non tradable' refined I accidentally crafted way back when that I bitched about with the help of a few friends.
I went ahead and collected myself two jags for the new recipes and whipped up a Eureka Effect for myself.

I LOVE this thing. There's nothing like setting up on a payload map and beaming back to your entrance to get more metal only to take your teleporter back to your nest.
I've even had the opportunity to use it to escape with. The 3 second time frame seems like an eternity when you're under fire, but you feel like an action star when you beam back in the nick of time.
Also this thing is great when compared with the Pomson. You can just chill out with your sentry taking pot shots and then get the hell out of there when you need to.


Speaking of the Pomson. Holy shit this gun is BANANAS. Grab one as soon as you can. You thought Widow-Slinger was fun, wait until you try this out. It combines the bullshit of infinite ammo non reflectable energy weapons with even MORE bullshit. This thing's crazy and it's so spammable I found myself netting kills with it like woah today even though I was playing like trash. This gun is amazing and I'd be shocked if they didn't nerf it somehow.
It's THAT good. Just hang back and start letting fly in a direction enemies are coming. On the downside you don't even feel like an Engineer anymore and I often just ran around with the Pomson helping repair occasionally, but acting more like a shock trooper than a support class.
This makes the Widowmaker only good for camper engis... which I honestly never thought of until today actually.
Also with the Pomson, don't let anyone in clo- on wait, your mini sentry. HAHA, eat it.


The new Pyro flamethrower I don't know how to feel about yet. I only used it once tonight and with mixed results. Lack of a flame particle effect is hard to get used to. Requires further experimentation.


On that subject, the Manmelter. I mean just what the fuck? When they made the Detonator, there was never a reason to ever use the Flair Gun again. Now that the Manmelter exists, the Detonator looks like archaic junk unless you get the rare occurrence a team is huddled together on payload.
I don't have it yet, but got to see in action and read up on it, so take this for what you will. It travels WAY faster than either the flair or detonator and has infinite ammo (spamspamspam). Not to mention you can use it to extinguish teammates (for free) and earn guaranteed crits with it. This thing seems like bullshit and I like and loath it. Energy weapons folks.


Spy-Cicle... you already knew this thing was amazing and 'OP', but honestly the giant icebergs are pretty handy when you're in a combat situation on the attacked team. You see the blocks of ice and you know a spy is running around even if you missed him where otherwise you may have just thought they died regularly. That said... still WAAAAAAAAY better than the knife 90% of the time.


Wrap Batter, I still don't know how to use this or the Sandman effectively, so I can't say much on that. Every time I look at those two I just think how much better off I'd be with an Atomizer or BatFishArm instead.


The Holiday Punch, which could be considered a throw away weapon... But it's not. As a Heavy using your melee is a last resort of last resorts so Valve has done the interesting thing on making two of Heavys Melees utilities to better get around; GRU for speed boost at the cost of life and the FOS for protection for super slow switch times. I enjoy that, but the Holiday Punch actually is pretty fun. Combine with the Family Business and Tomislav for good times. Nothing like dropping down on an enemy and punching them in the back, finishing them off with your shotty.
Also... lord help me. Bring Kritz'd while using these things is fucking hilarious if you're lucky enough to surprise people and tag a few of them with it so you or your team can clean them up.
I want to badly test it with the Buffalo Steak Sandvich.


And that's my 2 cents on the new stuff now that I've had a chance to use a lot of it.

Oh and slowpoke, I've got a key for you.

>crafting recipes added

Finally.

>>143934
>Oh and slowpoke, I've got a key for you.
Baller.
Speaking of keys, just used 11 or 12 of them.
Have a Strange Mad Milk, a Strange Black Box, 3 Strange Reserve Shooters, a Strange Flamethrower, Strange Syringe Gun, Strange Jarate, and Strange Razorback.
If anyone's interested.

apparently ellis' cap is now craftable?

rebuild blueprint still won't take mine though

>>143939
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ellis
>According to the 1/11/2012 patch, this hat was made craftable, when in-fact it remains uncraftable.
For now at least.

>>143934
>there was never a reason to ever use the Flair Gun again
The Flare Gun has guaranteed crits (90 damage) on burning, the Detonator only got mini-crits (41 damage).

> infinite ammo (spamspamspam).
They're all so slow, it would take half a minute of continuous fire to use up all the ammo in either. It almost never happened.

>Not to mention you can use it to extinguish teammates (for free) and earn guaranteed crits with it.

Whether you can get more guaranteed crits with the Flare Gun or Manmelter depends on how many Pyros the other team has.

>>143880
Sorry, got Old World Blues on the last winter sales.

Hey if anyone's interested I have two extra (non craftable) Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe's up for trade.

>>143942
I just checked, and it's indeed usable in crafting. This means the value of the Ellis Cap has automatically risen to 1 refined, since it's now at least usable as craft fodder. This also means that a few people I've encountered who collect Ellis Caps, have just become very, very, very rich.

>>143974
Fuck year. What are you looking for? Let me know if anything catches your eye:

http://www.tf2items.com/id/Tukaro

>>143974
Whatcha sellin it for?

>>143984
Link me your backpack if you wouldn't mind.
Didn't really have a selling price in mind, but I usually go by warehouse values.

Ok, so with all this crafting we can do now, I was able to get a few of the new weapons.
All I'm missing now are:
- Wrap Assassin or Southern Hospitality
- Eureka or Jag
- Holiday Punch or Gloves of Running Urgently.

So I'm selling any weapon on the first 2 pages for a scrap each.
http://www.tf2b.com/?id=tazzytazz
Unless you have one of the weapons I need. Then...I guess we can negotiate.

I'm also thinking of changing the paint on my spy. I love green because the Made Man doesn't look that great in green. I'm not sure if I should just change the Made Man or the whole thing. I'm not sure which color to use either.

I have a Jag and a GRU I'd be willing to part with.

>>144008
Any chance you would sell your secret saxtons by chance?

>>144008
Riddle me this?

>>144020
Add me.

>>144037
Possibly... I want to use them, but for a good enough offer I'll sell.

>>144066
Aaaand sent!

>>144068
Sweet! Now all I'm missing is that Southern Hospitality to make a Wrap Assassin.

Back to my Spy paint problem, I'm looking for something a little pimptastic, if you know what I mean. I'd rather not use Pink as Hell, I've seen too many other players use that on Spy. I was thinking, Team Spirit, but I'm not sure how bright it is, have any of you used it?
Or maybe Color 216 or Deep Commitment to Purple on just the flower and not the whole suit.

>>143977
Not too much I'm seeing that's tradable save the metal and black paint.

>>144070
I've got an operators overalls if you're looking for something in team colors. Personally I don't like things that are off the Valve defined color charts, so there's only a few paints I actually care for. This'd be one of em.

>>144066
2 scrap a pop?
I didn't get mine from Valve, so I've been trying to pick up enough for 5.

>>144008
That outfit reminds me how much I miss the NOLF series.

>>144077
Yeah, that's a series that definitely deserved more that two games.

>>144076
>2 scrap a pop?
I think I'll pass. I saw people offering 1 ref for 2 sax on Outpost.

So did the update allow you to craft *all* the holiday weapons? Because I thought some of them were supposed to be uncraftable.

>>144076
I'm willing to do the paint for the whiskers.

>>144103
>Because I thought some of them were supposed to be uncraftable.
The non-Grordbort ones weren't craftable (even with tokens) or dropped for the first week. After that they were all dropped and token craftable, and now they're all recipe craftable.

>>144103
Just the paint's a bit low for it, any chance you could throw in your unused strange Sleeper to help even it up a bit?
Now that I know it exists I crave the ability to know how many people I've shot piss at.

>>144107
Hrm Hrm... paint and a strange seems a bit high just for non-craftable chops...

Throw in a random weapon or two for me to smelt and we have a deal.

>>144125
Wait, can you craft or break down miscellaneous items or did I miss something in an update somewhere?

>>144133
When I said smelt, I meant to use in crafting. Word mixup.

>>144143
huh, I didn't know you could do much of anything like that with Misc. items at all. interesting.

>>144125
Hit me up on Steam and we can continue our negotiations.

Anyone else who's looking for a chop ( >>143974 ) Send me a message on steam or reply with a link to your SteamID or backpack please.

I need to try my hand at 3d modeling. I'm sure its been asked already,but does anyone have links to reliable tutorials, or recommendations on programs? I haven't touched the stuff since highschool :I

>>144194
Miley, if you're still interested in the chops, please send me a friend request or link me your steam profile.

>That feel when the B.M.O.C. is only going to continue rising in price because it's not craftable/buyable/findable and my Santa Soldier set will never be complete.

Uuuuuggh

I love the Pomson so much I strongly considered buying a real world one.

Then I remembered that one of those things cost more than my car.

>>144238
Aren't they also sold out? I mean... 50 is a pretty small number.

>>143974
>>143974
>>143974
One more left guys. Who's interested?

>Find out the new weapons are have craft recipes.
Welp, there go my slot tokens-
>That involve things I don't have or cannot spare.

Finally, got all the demo hats.
Again.
Until the next big update.

>>144368
Do you have all of the All Class hats as well?

>>144268
I also have a Festive Sniper Rifle up for trade too if anyone's interested, as well as a Couvre Corner, and one last (uncraftable) pair of Mutton Chops.

Looking for: a Festive Stickybomb Launcher, Merc's Pride Scarf, Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative, or Baseball Bills Sports Shine (the Sniper and Scout 'hatless' headslots).
As well as some other hats and misc. items.

How much does Counter-Strike Source go for in TF2 metal? For that matter, how much does Bit.Trip.Runner go for?

>>144417
It's usually roughly 1 ref for $1 of it's price in stores. But since they've been on sale recently it'll probably be less, like 75%.

>>144380
I don't think that could be even possible unless you're Robin Walker.

>>144427
And I really need to learn how to use a proper image editor software.

>>144417
Most games go for 1 ref per 80 cents, or 1 key per $1.80.
But like >>144424 said, because they were on sale recently, it'll be cheaper, and you'll probably have to discount CS:S even more to catch anyone's attention, just cause everyone and their mother already has it.

>>144449
See, that's the problem: I'm looking to buy.

>>144451
Ahh, well that's easier then, there are lots of folks willing to sell games for TF2 items, and I imagine CS:S especially was obtained from the Great Gift Pile quite a bit.

I'd say offer 6-ish keys or about 13 refined for CS:S and see where that gets you, raising the price if necessary, and offer no more than 12.5 refined for Bit.Trip Runner(that's about 5 keys).

If you're interested in Bit.Trip Runner, I can get it for you. .

>>144456
>>144452
Lemme spell it all out: I should've done that from the beginning.

I've got Bit.Trip Runner from the giveaway. I already bought it in the humble Indie Bundle, so I've got a tradeable extra copy. I'd like to try and get CS:S so I can get some more resources into Garry's Mod, so I was hoping I could trade Bit.Trip Runner and a couple hats I don't want for it.

>>144483
Which hats are you going to trade for CSS?

>>144485
Got a Noh Mercy, a Brain Slug, a Whoopee Cap, and a Can Opener. If it comes down to it, I might be willing to buy a key or two to sweeten the deal.

>>144488
Seems like a fine deal to me.

>>143727
Hey, you there.
Post your Steam ID plz.

Little update for today.

>>144511
Want.

Want want want.

gib hat pls

>>144511
New helmets with a suitably barbaric appearance.
Do want.

I really wanna get that Professor's Spek's item.

If I make a new Steam account and just buy something on it, I can just select my main account for the trainer, right?

>>144563
Indeed you can

In other news, still have some Mutton Chops up for grabs if anyone's interested.

I bought a Pomson the day it came out.
Today I crafted another one, just so I could have a Pomson with my name on it.

I fucking love the Pomson 6000.

>>144563
Yes, but add your account as a friend and accept it before. Because you can't get them later.

>>144511
>>144513
Oh wow those hats are from 38 Studios. That studio that Todd McFarlane and R.A. Salvatore are working at.

>$60
eeeeehhh

The Ninja Heavy
Heheheh.

>>144579
Yeah, that price.
Although, I can try to save some cash, just for this time.

>>144581
That was hilarious.

Won two keys in some server contest and got my first two stranges just like that. They were meele weapons of course, but two for two Equalizer and Your Eternal Reward.

I wish smelting Strange weapons got you Strange Metal.
Then you can use Strange Metal to craft new Strange weapons.

Yaaaaay got those professor's speks. Bought a Deus Specs but I gotta wait two days to get it. Laaame.

>>144602
ffffffffff... I jelly.

In other news I finally got myself an unmarked Team Captain tonight.

These things never fail to amuse me:

WakFortress 2: Meet the Smisse

purrlay with me

http://steamcommunity.com/id/komradeguy

>>144647
Yaaay! Jazz!
:3
Good to have you back around! 'Sup?

So what are the odds of them releasing a Strange Cowmangler sometime soon?
I just got my Bison had and an debating on some shoulder pads to go with it so I'm curious to know if I should just tag the Mangler with "Psycho Crusher" or something more snazzy now or later.


Also:
Can I break down headgear into metal?
I have a few hats and Misc. items that are craftable that I don't really want.

>>144708
I think you should wait for the Strange Cowmangler. It shouldn't be too long.

No, you can not turn hats into metal. You can craft them together and get another hat or miscellaneous item though.

it so saddens me that there'll never be a strange frying pan

>>144721
Can I craft the Halloween costume items using custom blueprint? Because I honestly would rather have another hat than the Can Opener.

>>144721
Well that's retarded.

I can smash two hats together for another random hat... but I can't smash two together plus a set item or class token to narrow it down... and I can't break the hats down into metal so I can actually have more control over what comes out.
F'n A.

>>144741
Might as well ask before I mash anything together...
Does anyone want a:

The Manniversary Paper Hat
Industrial Festivizer
Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe (uncraftable)
Genuine Planeswalker Helm
The Hermes
Couvre Corner

If you do, hit me up on Steam. You can find a link to my ID in the e-mail field of the post.

Finally crafted the Phlogistinator, and it's a pretty cool flamethrower, though not as OP as some people claim to be.

>>144768
I'm interested in that Hermes, but I don't have anything to trade for it. :c

>>144792
All it really did was make W+M1 a viable tactic, which still doesn't make for an automatically good Pyro. I've had a Phlogistinator since day one, and I'm right back to using the Degreaser.

>>144795
>All it really did was make W+M1 a viable tactic
I don't understand why I keep seeing this pop up; the Phlog discourages W+M1 more than any other Flamethrower. It has no bonus other than the Mmmph, and you have to stay alive to build Mmmph, while W+M1ing gets your ass killed. It encourages you to light and run, letting your afterburn do its thing while you get outta Dodge and live to flame another day.

If anything, the Backburner with its extra damage makes W+M1 a valid tactic, ironic considering its intended purpose.

>>144809
Pretty much this.
The Backburner is the most scrub friendly flame thrower for that exact reason.
Most newbie pyros don't bother much with air blasting, so they just spawn with the flamethrower and run in. Valve really needs to adjust the flamethrowers, specifically the backburner, degreaser, and hell, the currently useless default one.

>>144811
>Valve really needs to adjust the flamethrowers, specifically the backburner, degreaser, and hell, the currently useless default one.
Why? What's wrong with them? They work fine for me.

>>144816
People have a pet peeve class they love to hate and those particular dudes HATE being ambushed by pryos, which is the whole damn stradegy of the class. It'd be like asking for the sniper's charge up time to be slower or for the heavy to have less health.

W+M1 is NEVER a "valid tactic" unless you are playing against idiots. The people who constantly whine about "W+M1 Pyros" are almost always new/bad/Spy mains.

>>144816
The default flamethrower is useless and the Degreaser is by far the best option if you actually want to get anywhere with the class.

The problem is not one of stats though. It's that the Pyro lacks a purpose; he's underspecialized yet weaker than the other generalist. Spychecking is not enough to base a whole class on.

>>144819
>The default flamethrower is useless
No, it's not. It's the best weapon for medic protection. It only costs 10 ammo for an airblast, and the after burn last 2 seconds longer, so your allies can chase cloaked spies and have a better chance of killing them while you stick with the medic.

>>144821
Both of those are incorrect. Its airblast costs 20 ammo and its afterburn lasts 10 seconds like that of every Pyro weapon.
The patch logs do not mention any of the improvements you listed.

>>144819

Pyro makes a good mobile push-disrupter. If you've got any savvy at all you can come up behind a push while they're engaging, burn and disorient everybody, and hunt down and kill the medic. Even if you die after that, you've successfully blunted their advance.

A Heavy can do the same thing, of course, but it's much, much harder to get a Heavy into the right position.

>>144853
>If you've got any savvy at all you can come up behind a push while they're engaging
Spy was here.
Doing that job better since 2007

>>144853
If you were doing that as a Soldier or Demoman you'd have an easier time apporaching (explosive jumps), an easier time killing the Medic and either a chance to survive or to kill more enemies.

Other classes are just better at pretty much everything a Pyro can do, which is why I called him underspecialized.

>>144860
Yep.
As a result they gave him a few pester weapons (detonator, flairgun, manmelter) and an engi support weapon (homewrecker/ maul) in order to make him seem more relevant and useful.

Unfortunately however he's still not particularly useful at any one thing that other classes can't do better save guarding engi nests.

The Backburner may look like it encurages sneak around gameplay, but with the damage boost, it doesn't really. It's the ideal W+M1ers weapon because of that. These are the pyros that will charge you head on.
The degreaser is a straight up upgrade to the regular flamethrower in every way unless they brought the origional flamethrower specs back to where they where in 'vanilla'.
The new primary weapon actually encourages ambush play thanks to the meter.

In short, Valve really needs to go and reevaluate the Pyro to improve his standing because right now, he does nothing that other classes don't already do better... except sit around an Engineers nest and spin around with mouse button one pressed.

>>144840
Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that. I meant he has 10 airblasts, 20 ammo per shot. And I don't know how I got 2 extra seconds of damage out 2 extra damage per second. Anyway, you're mostly right, but I still get more kills with the regular Flame Thrower. Go figure...

>>144871
Some people work better with certain tools then others. Like the freaks that actually thrive on non dead ringer spy.

>>144882
I play invisibility watch spy, shotgun heavy, flare gun pyro, and battle medic.

Doinitwrong but doinitfun

> Playing Soldier
> Shooting rockets this way and that
> Hit an invisible spy out of sheer luck
> Get accused of hacking
> Kicked from server
> Find out later from my brother who was also on the server the same guy started speedhacking

>>144768
How much are paper hats worth?

I need oooone.

>>144911
No idea.
They're pretty much used exclusively for crafting though. At least they where. No idea what the current value is since I haven't seen one on another player in months or at the warehouse.
Anyone care to shed some light?

>>144792
I guess I might be able to hang onto it for a little longer for you.

>>144911
If the Warehouse is any judge, then around 1.3 Refined.

>>144911
>>144912
Shitty bottom-tier hats go for 1 to 1.3 refined depending on how stingy the seller or how rich the buyer is, with 1 refined + 1 scrap being the most common price.

Guess who's back playan tf2

>>144956
Oh man, did you finally get a new computer? That's righteous!

>>144961
Damn right.
Too bad we are still haven't got any news from the /cog/ server.

So I tried changing from Indubitably Green to 216, but it's still not right for me.

In case you haven't seen there's a new map creation contest.
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=18555

Yo, if anyone has a 50% off Warner Bros Games or 50% off Bastion coupon they don't want, I'd be willing to pay for it maybe.

>>145172
TF2 items?

>>145176
Yessir, I've got metal and weapons.

>>145180
How much for Bastion then?

>>145182
Oh, naw man, I don't have nearly enough for the game itself, excluding the hats I'm not selling. Just lookin' for a coupon, my friend wants to buy it, so I figured I'd get him one.

>>145202
Oh I see.
Checked my coupons, and only have a 25% coupon for Warner Bros. games.

Btw, does anyone has a s. reserve shooter for trade?
I'm searching one for a friend.

>>145211
Managed to get a 33% ticket.
There aren't many 50% tickets out there.

>>145211
I'll see if I can find a 50% off, but if not, I'll get back to you.

And dude, I've got like 4 S. Reserve Shooters, I just keep uncrating them. I'll drop one your way when I'm a bit less busy for like, a refined?

>>145215
All right, I'll save that ticket for you.

Right now, i don't have any very much metal, and I'm actually trying to get some for crating purposes. But I'll see if I can get you a refined then.

Up for trade, preferably for metals.

>Added the Alladin's Private Reserve for the Demo

>>145362
Oooh!
Shiny!

how the fuck did grey paint get so expensive

it's a nice understated color, those are never even popular

So, I just found a Black Blox as a drop last night.

.... I can see why everyone ever uses this thing.

>>145427
Yeah, it's great as long as you aren't being ubered. If you have a good medic on your team who likes to Uber or Kritz you, please use the regular or the Direct Hit, that 4th rocket can make a big difference.

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/January_27,_2012_Patch_%28Beta%29

Changes to the Beta:
*Tomislav is just decreased firing rate and silent barrel spin.
*Sandvich won't heal the Heavy that dropped them, just give him back their sandvich.
*Enforcer now has the same delay to cloak time added to decloak time and prevents you from seeing enemy health.

>>145498
NO, MY DELICIOUS BROKEN WEAPONS

>>145498
Welp, I don't use the Tomislav anyway so that's a non-issue to me personally, but if any of this carries into the game proper, I think I'll be scrapping my Enforcer and using the Sandvich a whole lot less.

>>145498
A bunch of heavy setups just got fucked.

>>145498
TF2 is now officially less fun.

>>145498
...They forgot to apply the sandvich nerf to the steak, did they?

Also they're still in denial about the Heavy's main issue.

>>145523
>baww they took away my portable health kit and revolver upgrade
How exactly do necessary balance adjustments make the game less fun?

>>145498
About time with the Enforcer.
And I think it's gonna be ok for the Tomislav.

>>145526
>...They forgot to apply the sandvich nerf to the steak, did they?
It's the Beta. The point is voluntary testing, so that doesn't really matter.

>>145527
>And I think it's gonna be ok for the Tomislav.
Personally, I wish they'd added in some other stealth-related bonus, like making the firing itself quieter.

>Dicking around on surf_buck-ed_up
>There's a medic ubersawing BLUs at their spawn
>Freshly spawned pyro over voice "bring it on mothefucker"
>I surf in, the medic ubers me and I blow him to bits
>round ends

>Unable to see enemy health
... could the Spy ever see enemy health anyway?

>>145535
He always has. It's useful for knowing when a backstab is unnecessary and a pistol shot would be enough to kill someone instead.

>>145498

The Enforcer nerf was really needed.
The Tomislav, if the nerf passes, is ruined forever.
The sandvich nerf seems kinda tolerable since it already fully heals the player, but it will be a goddamn failure if they do the same with the steak.
Let's hope for the best.

>>145540
>please don't take away my portable health kit

Not nerfing the steak would be POINTLESS because the instant medium health kit function is the issue, not the fact that the sandvich already heals you.

The Tomislav nerf does seem half-assed, they didn't bother redesigning it, just made sure people would shut up about it.

>>145542

It has never been an issue.
You either don't play heavy or you are that bad handling the class as enemy.

I need to remind you all that these are Beta changes, the point of which is seeing how this would do rather than just showing us what will be happening a week from now.

Personally, I kind of doubt this exact nerf will go through with the Tomislav, just like the 50 health penalty didn't.

And letting the Steak Sandvich keep the self-healing when the sandvich doesn't is stupid, that would make it better at healing than the damn Sandvich.

I've never really heard anybody complain about the drop healing of the sandvich. I guess the issue mainly comes up with the faster spin and stop of the Tomislav. Using another gun takes time, so you have to run away while you're waiting for the weapon switch and that may not be enough time if the enemies catch up with you.

>>145544
Okay then, what's the drawback of the instant medium health kit?
You don't really need the shotgun, especially not after the spin-up buff.
Why would the Heavy need an upgrade like this? How is it balanced?

Just because it doesn't break the game it doesn't mean it's not imbalanced.

>>145547
Exactly, the heavy faces a slower movement speed, slower attack speed and slower weapon switch. Throwing the sandvich to heal yourself quickly is still an odyssey for the heavy: You face a delay after finishing firing your minigun before changing of weapons, then the heavy's weapon switch which it's a bit slower, heal, another weapon switch delay, then wait for the spin time of your minigun.
You still will get killed around 1/3 of the time, 1/2 if you play with good players because they eventually will get you in the process, and the one that killed you most likely will end gaining full health by picking your sandvich (For those who haven't noticed yet, a Heavy only needs to have it selected to drop it on dead.)

>>145550
You don't play the class that often, do you?
And that buff happened time ago, and it was needed.

>>145551
I don't play the class often because it bores me, but when I do I certainly notice the difference between now and pre-buffs. This doesn't prove anything either way, but whenever I play Heavy I end up doing well even when I couldn't do anything as Soldier or Demo (i.e. played like crap). I got out of situations I shouldn't have thanks to the faster spin-up and I survived longer than I should have thanks to the portable health kit.

>And that buff happened time ago
And it's still as dumb now as it was back then.

>and it was needed
Yeah, if you played the class wrong. You had to actually pay attention as a Heavy and pick your fights (when without Medic) instead of just walking into combat and getting kills unless there's a massive amount of explosives waiting for you.

Spoiler: Heavy is not supposed to be an all-purpose combat class. Stop complaining about his drawbacks and don't even imply that they made him unplayable. Also the Heavy has the same basic weapon switch speed as the other classes.

The Heavy is slow because he kills anything close to him in seconds. Eliminating/reducing his drawbacks (spin-up, being a big target without a Medic, slow movement speed) was NOT needed.

Also stop pulling the "you don't know what you're talking about because you're bad" card. I rarely have trouble fighting Heavies, especially in a one-on-one situation. I just don't like the fact that you can do well with the class without trying at all thanks to the buffs they gave it.

Why should a class take way more effort to take down than to play, even when played by mediocre players?

>>145550
>>145551
Also because I apparently have to clarify this:
What's the drawback of using the sandvich instead of the shotgun, especially after the minigun buff? Why should the Heavy have a portable health kit at all, let alone with such little tradeoff?

I don't...what does the Tomislav do?

Also the Enforcer change seems a bit too far in the other direction. Decloak nerf, fine, but the invisible enemy health seems lame. Unless it is only when active, not just equipped, then sure, why not.

Sandvich also seems unnecessary. I don't care what anyone says, heavies aren't as dangerous as people make them out to be unless you're terrible at the game. I'm inactive in the game for months at a time, and I still have no problem taking down a lone heavy. Just move and shoot at the same time.

>>145561
>I don't...what does the Tomislav do?

It fires 1/4 slower in exchange for silent barrel spinning.

>>145561
>heavies aren't as dangerous as people make them out to be unless you're terrible at the game
This times a thousand.

>>145556
>What's the drawback of using the sandvich instead of the shotgun
PERHAPS THE SAME COULD BE SAID OF OTHER WEAPONS.

Never complained about the heavy, nor I called you bad, I'm just saying that being able to heal a portion of your health quickly is pretty justificable when playing as him. And I said that you don't seem to play that often as heavy because you pratically want to nerf the class more than it deserves.
And I'm going to stop here because I almost forgot that having a debate with you is eternal.

>>145561
>heavies aren't as dangerous as people make them out to be
>no problem taking down a lone heavy
This. I don't need to say more.

>>145578

Now days, being a lone heavy is more difficult to the point that you can't do your job properly unless you have a medic or a dispenser near. I wish the heavy changes don't make it to the game, the tomislav is a good alternative when you don't count with that support.

>>145580
>Now days, being a lone heavy is more difficult

How exactly?

I've played a moderate amount as Heavy (about 14 of 300 hours played, yet it's still the one I have the best records with in kills, points, captures, dominations, and damage) and the biggest obstacles specific to the class I've faced are ones that have been around since the game came out: opportunist Scouts that are good at jumping and strafing, Soldiers or Demomen with the high ground, Snipers, and Spies.

The only unlockable items I would say tip the scales out of the Heavy's favor are the Direct Hit and Degreaser/Axtinguisher. The first one isn't used especially often and in spite of the second Heavy>Pyro is still the the hardest class counter in the whole game.

>>145582
>Heavy>Pyro is still the the hardest class counter in the whole game.
I'd give that prize to Sniper>Heavy.

>>145583
A Sniper that runs into a Heavy anywhere but long range is dead, and even at long range if the Heavy sees the Sniper he can fuck up his aim enough to take cover (the Heavy can't do this if he has other enemies to fight, but then he's either outnumbered or his teammates should be taking care of the sniper instead).

Against a Heavy, a Pyro is at a disadvantage at close range, an even bigger disadvantage at mid range, and though a flare gun Pyro is technically advantaged at long range it takes so long for it to do 300 damage that the Heavy could easily escape and get closer through some other route.

Even when the Pyro has the element of surprise and is using the Degreaser+Axtinguisher, just matching the time it takes a minigun Heavy to rev up and kill the Pyro (1.17 seconds) takes ridiculous precision (you have to use the flamethrower for almost exactly long enough that one Axtinguisher hit will finish him; igniting then two Axtinguisher swipes is always at least 1.28 seconds in case you're wondering).

>>145586
You're assuming a spherical hat in a vacuum of bullets.
The fact is that if the Sniper spots the heavy first, which 7 out of 8 times he will, The heavy will lose the battle.
You're also not taking into account things like the huntsman which can easily take out a heavy at Close to medium range before the heavy gets off a shot.

It's not a case of "you're just complaining because you suck" for me. In case you missed it:

>I rarely have trouble fighting Heavies, especially in a one-on-one situation. I just don't like the fact that you can do well with the class without trying at all thanks to the buffs they gave it.
>I rarely have trouble fighting Heavies, especially in a one-on-one situation. I just don't like the fact that you can do well with the class without trying at all thanks to the buffs they gave it.
>I rarely have trouble fighting Heavies, especially in a one-on-one situation. I just don't like the fact that you can do well with the class without trying at all thanks to the buffs they gave it.
>I rarely have trouble fighting Heavies, especially in a one-on-one situation. I just don't like the fact that you can do well with the class without trying at all thanks to the buffs they gave it.
>I rarely have trouble fighting Heavies, especially in a one-on-one situation. I just don't like the fact that you can do well with the class without trying at all thanks to the buffs they gave it.

>>145561
>Just move and shoot at the same time.

"Other people can't aim" is not an argument. You cannot dodge hitscan, your enemy aimed badly.

>>145578
>PERHAPS THE SAME COULD BE SAID OF OTHER WEAPONS.

Yes, other classes have imbalanced weapons too. Your point?

>portion

That portion being 150 HP. Half his base HP. You didn't make any point at all, you merely tried to make it sound less useful than it is. Try an argument instead of a rhetoric trick next time.

>you pratically want to nerf the class more than it deserves

There you go again, claiming that the class was underpowered before the buffs. Where's your argument?

>I almost forgot that having a debate with you is eternal

It's not my fault that you consider "I'm right, you're wrong" a valid argument.

>>145580
Nowadays? Compared to WHEN? Pre-Natascha nerf? Between the buffs and less stickybomb-using Demos it only got easier.

>you can't do your job properly

The Heavy is not supposed to be an all-purpose combat class. Despite that he is already better at that job than you claim.

>Tomislav
Tomislav vs Minigun Comparison
Not enough of a drawback, stop defending it already. ~350 DPS still kill everything nearly instantly and the even faster spin-up negates the loss of damage for the most part.

>>145582
>Heavy>Pyro is still the the hardest class counter in the whole game

I'd say Engineer>Scout or Engineer>Pyro; against a well-positioned sentry there is almost nothing they can do except switch classes. The Heavy-Pyro matchup is winnable as a Pyro given a flaregun and enough cover/space.

>>145583
The Fists of Steel can at least let you get past a Sniper-guarded area.

>>145593
>You cannot dodge hitscan, your enemy aimed badly.

But you can dodge your enemy's aim. Be mobile. Make it hard for them to keep track of you. It's not that hard except from a distance, and honestly the Heavy doesn't do that much damage at range.

I miss being able to play this game.

I miss running around like Jason Voorhees, somehow dodging enemy fire as the Heavy and uppercutting people to death.

So my girlfriend is interested in playing this game with me. One, what's a good server for beginners, two, what's some good advice I can give her?

Here's what I'm thinking so far:
-Soldier and Heavy are good classes to start with.
-You will die a lot. Don't worry about it as long as you can stop the other team.
-You'll get better the more you play, don't get discouraged.
-Sometimes, you just get a crappy team and the only thing you can do is change servers.

>>145617
Oh, and explaining the complex paper-rock-scissors of the classes, like "If you're a Heavy, watch your back for Spies and expect to die to Snipers a lot."

>>145617
If she's going to play with you, have her be your pocket medic for assault classes.

Engineer is a good one to kind of sit in the back on D and watch how others play.

Heavy is good because you'll get a lot of support from others.

>>145620
The RPS system is extremely loose to the point that you really only need to look out for spies and snipers as a Heavy or Medic. Everything else is fairly even, though there are some notables:
-Scout's weak health and Pyro's lack of long-distance attacks makes them easy Heavy prey
-Demo's lack of direct attack makes it vulnerable to Scout and Pyro

But just about any of these issues can be overcome if you're good or made less troublesome if you have the right weapon set.

>>145617
If she plays Soldier remind her to aim for the feet. She could try Pyro, if she does remind her to airblast people on fire, she should airblast Ubers away from the team even though she'll get no points for that, and she can airblast projectiles too.

>>145623
>have her be your pocket medic for assault classes.
This, or he could also pocket her and give her pointers when she wants to practice an assault class.

When I was first starting, I was told to be a Medic, cause even shitty Medics are pretty damn helpful, and following around people who know what they're doing will get you accustomed to the maps.

It was advice I ignored in favor of playing Soldier, but y'know, I imagine it's still a pretty good pointer.

>>145617
Payload maps, especially on defence are definitely the easiest to pick up for beginners. Playing Medic gives you a good idea of the map and game flow but I wouldn't recommend it on servers with smaller player-counts as bad medicing is much more detrimental to the team effort. Soldier, Pyro and Heavy arguably have the lowest skill threshold to be helpful, Engineer too with the right direction.

>>145635
Although playing Engineer requires perhaps the rarest skill in online gaming: patience

>>145586
Flare gun is great v heavy. 90 damage per shot after the initial ignite, and shooting heavies with it is so easy. I main the flare (for...some reason) so when I run into heavies I tend to flame, airblast, flare, airblast, flare, and then finish with either the flamethrower or the melee. Tends to disorient them, and if nothing else the afterburn tends to get them if you die/run away.

>>145635
Would you say Badwater's a good place to start?

>Enforcer, Deadringer, Spycicle
Wow, this combination is absolute bullshit.

>>145640
Badwater's great, Barnblitz, Upward and Frontier are pretty good. Avoid Goldrush and don't bother with Hoodoo.

Anybody know what causes this? Or where to start looking?

>>145635
How exactly is a bad Pyro helpful to his team? Unskilled Pyros are among the easiest targets since they don't ambush and can't airblast.

>>145667
>How exactly is a bad Pyro helpful to his team?
How is a bad anything helpful to the team?
>Unskilled Pyros are among the easiest targets since they don't ambush and can't airblast.
He's talking about beginners not people who lack complete common sense. Pyro isn't complicated once you figure out how to airblast. And Pyro pointers have already been given in this thread anyway, he doesn't need to repeat them.

>>145658
But Goldrush is one of my favorites. You cause my heart to break.

>>145676
A bad Soldier/Demo can still spam chokepoints and a bad Heavy still forces non-counters to play around him.
Pyro is not a good class for beginners because it lacks both power and utility. It isn't complicated but it takes practice to be useful at all.

Also seconding >>145658. Goldrush and Hoodoo are good ways to turn a new player away from TF2, they are more spam-friendly than some of the alternatives.

There is not bad TF2 map. Other than Yukon. It's just too goddamn big for 24 players.

Foundry isn't that great either

>>145681
That was a rhetorical question.
>A bad Soldier/Demo can still spam chokepoints
If a Soldier or Demo even knows where to spam, then they aren't all bad.
>and a bad Heavy still forces non-counters to play around him.
As much as a bad pyro forces spies to play around him.

If they are useful for something, they aren't bad.

I didn't make my point well; it was that
>lowest skill threshold to be helpful
does not apply to Pyro as the class requires experience to do anything meaningful (it does apply to Soldier and Heavy though).

>>145682
>There is no bad TF2 map.
Any stock CTF map except Turbine. Gorge, Dustbowl, Egypt, Junction, Hoodoo, Hydro, Offblast, Watchtower.

>>145694
You could teach a monkey to airblast.

>>145695
Do you really think a newbie will get the timing right that easily? I haven't seen many people who can reflect projectiles well.

>>145695
>Gorge
Screw you, too.

So what ever became of that TF2 server?

>>145703
5gorge is okay.

>>145700
I was thinking of extinguishing players, blasting stickies away from sentries and separating ubers.

>>145707
While that makes your statement correct I wouldn't recommend a class to a new player based on that sort of situational utility.

Just for the record, anything that's on my first page is generally up for grabs. I'll keep my tf2items page in my email field for anyone that feels like checking it out. It's mostly weapons, but whoever needs them feel free to send me a message. I'm usually away/busy on steam, but I'll get you back pretty quickly when I notice if you try to message me.

Also hey woah what the splendid screen has STYLES? That's AWESOME. When are other weapons getting styles?

>>145715
It's had them since it was first put in the game, and it has styles because it was submitted with them. I actually learned this from the guy who made the set.

Just came into acquisition of a slew of older crate numbers. Are the discontinued crates worth anything extra?

>>145761
Usually only if they're really low numbers (very rare) or close to #19 or higher (rarest ones with strange weapons).

>>145764
I got a couple of 3's and 5's in the mix

>>145765
Check out on Outpost. I don't think #5 has much value, but #3 has distinctive lack of hue which can only be purchased for $5 or uncrated, so that could go for maybe a rec at most.

#3
Bushwacka 17.5%
Crit-a-Cola 17.5%
Homewrecker 17.5%
Troublemaker's Tossle Cap 7.25%
Bombing Run 7.25%
Stout Shako 7.25%
Description Tag 17.5%
A Distinctive Lack of Hue 7.25%
Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item! 1%

#5
Name Tag 14%
Powerjack 18%
Gunboats 18%
Southern Hospitality 18%
Bloke's Bucket Hat 4.75%
Safe'n'Sound 4.75%
Ze Goggles 4.75%
Handyman's Handle 4.75%
Color No. 216-190-216 14%
Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item! 1%

if anyone wants any of my old crates, I'll take 2 scraps for anything that's been retired, or a refined or the new pyro weps for the whole lot of them.

#3 - 1
#5 - 1
#8 - 2
#7 - 1
#9 - 2
#24- 2
#25- 2
#27- 1
#28- 1
#29- 3
#32- 1
#33- 2

Slowpoke, got your refined.

Is it too much to ask for a server that's primarily fun and games, where nobody's concerned about kill count and skill?

I just want to micspam music while surfing with zombies and heavy boxing and spamming POOTIS over and over.

>>145830
One of the servers I play on has a Worst in Class event a few times a week.

Although micspam is rightfully a bannable offense.

>>145830
I've been playing as a heavy named Petit Spencer The Fat Scout on my alt account. Shotgun and GRU only. Spamming "Put Dispenser here!"

>>145830
Man, micspam servers are about to vanish in this days.
The Toycave is gone, Idorts and Spengebeb or whatever is called also disappeared; and Weeabootique, the only micspam server at the moment, is at the verge of disappearing.
I think Headset Radio is still around, but it isn't as active as before.
I would count Sepulchritude, but they only have one day of authorized micspam(mondays), and still, half of the users don't like micspam. And the pony servers only allow pony music, which is ridiculous.

they need to hurry up and add some more weapons into the game. And then add more weapons on top of those.

>>145891
There's always Intox, which is always active, but it's surf only, and Mario Kart is full of little kids.

Also, I tried Zombie Fortress the other day. Jesus, why is this SO BAD?

you guys know that lots of servers that aren't "micspam servers" still allow micspam to a degree, right? like 3/5 of the servers I hit up have some guy blasting music at one point or another, and no one cares as long as it's good music and the quality is halfway decent.

>>145804
Baller. Should be on at...some point within the next few days, I dunno.

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=7254

>Top Secret Project
>Last "Meat The Team"
>The second annual Saxxy Awards

M-MY HATS ARE MOVING ON THEIR OWN

>>145945
My bets are it's a new game mode.

What map is this? Pipeline?

>New Project
>Meet the Pyro
Welp, TF2 had to officially end sometime. Guess it'll be before 2013

>>145960
In don't see it as an end.
Just a new beginning.

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/February_2,_2012_Patch

>Source Engine Changes (TF2, DoD:S, HL2:DM)
>
> Adjusted error messages on servers when players drop due to Steam authentication failure to be more clear
> Additional important server messages now go to the server log instead of just the console
>
>Team Fortress 2
>
> Added The Conquistador
> Added The Map Maker's Medallion
> Added new promotional items[1] for preordering Jagged Alliance - Back in Action
> Added information about item origins to the WebAPI
> Added "DamagedPlayer" animation event for the HUD, fired when the local player damages other players
> Fixed The Head Warmer not displaying unusual particle effects correctly
> Fixed paint applying incorrectly on Max's Severed Head
> Fixed a server crash caused by Holiday Punch critical attacks on physics objects
> Updated the Itsy Bitsy Spyer so it can also be equipped by the Sniper
> Updated cp_foundry:
> Clip brush collision smoothing by the forward spawn alternate exit
> Fixed Nobuild exploits
> Fixed the teleporter player trap on the roof of the forward spawn alternate exit
> Fixed Nodraw and texturing errors
> Fixed clipping of barrels on final cap points
> Fixed fade distance on props
> Fixed lighting bugs in spytech vistas
> Removed props hidden in geometry
> Removed ability for players to cap the final point by standing on the catwalk behind it
>
>Undocumented changes
>
> Removed Engineer-specific text from Itsy Bitsy Spyer's description.
> Added Mann Co. Supply Crate Series 38

lol

By the way, guys, do some of you still happen to remember my suggestion of making a group for the second Saxxy Awards? Almost 1 year ago after the end of the first ones.

Memory fails me a bit, but there were a few interested, Mesias was one of them.

DAT CONQUISTADOR
I'm also interested on one of those s. smg.
I wonder how a s. dead ringer would work.

>>145979
Oh yeah! I remember it!
Time really flies, huh?

>>145979
I'll help in any way I can if you guys want to do something.

Also with that news I really do think TF2's time is finally coming to an end.

Hmm, that explains it.

Man, #37 and #38 just don't contain anything I'd actually want to use.

>>145942
Welp, apparently I've heard some of the last updates broke HLDJ, only way to reproduce music in-game. SO the micspam it's kinda death until HLDJ gets a patch for that.

>>146156
I heard some people micspamming just this morning.

>>146159
Hmm, I see. Apparently, no one was micspamming on a pony server I was, supposedly because of that.

Tomorrow, brothers and sisters... tomorrow is the night...

FULL MOON, BITCH

>>145987
Yeah, mostly when you least want it.
Anyway, I was thinking of... 5 members, maybe? Those with good editing skills and/or good resource provider depending on the project, and of course, /coc/. Looks like a good view to me, but they also need to be enthusiasts to focus on it enough; we should talk about how we are going to organize this by steam chat, tomorrow, perhaps? Let's give this a try while it's early.

>>145978
My first thought was that little kid from the second Christmas comic.

Does anyone has a Dragonborn helmet for trade?
I'm trying to collect all the heavy related fantasy helmets, sicne I have the one from Trine 2 and that one from Kingdoms of Amalur.

>>146298
I can probably get one for you.

Also: I now have a Hat With No Name; is anyone interested in such a fine piece of headwear?

In temptation, crafted three refined I had and ended with a Private Eye, too bad I already had one. But I managed to trade it for a Outdoorsman, and now I go Elmer Fud with my s. Family Business.
It's so damn fun.

>>146319
Oh, cool!
Thanks, I can give you a Cadavers Cranium for it.

>find out Genuine Point and Shoot goes for over two keys
Hm... I do like that hat, though I don't much care about genuine quality, and there's a few other things I've been eyeing. I could downgrade to a non-gen version and gain at least four refined.

A few community users from this site are looking to form a crazy team for the upcoming movie contest, interested people with enough abilities are required for this.
What is needed right now are editors, help with equipment and a space to make the takes; any decent, small server from home can help. The intended number of team members is 5, but it might vary more or less depending on those who join, and everyone will act in the movie.
The priorities: Server > Editor > Equipment

The goal here is simple: To win an Australium-plated trophy made of Australium that turns everything in Australium.
Do you think you can help with any of these things, or know another way to be helpful? Quote this post with your profile number or ID in the Email field (Name optional) and you will be contacted as soon as possible.

Yes, everyone in the team will get the Saxxy, the same happened with the last year's winning teams.

So that secret project is the two new classes, right? The Dog and the Chemist?

>>146439
Ok I've seen the dog which is a fan creation, but this is the first time I've heard of a chemist class.
Personally though I thin we're fine with the classes we have.

>>146439
>>146441
I don't think we could ever get any other classes without fucking up the game mechanics in a very terrible, terrible way.

>>146441
The Chemist is a class I saw mentioned in the TF2 forums waaaay back in the day that I was really fond of. It was basically entirely a support class with virtually no direct damage. Primary was a poison vial that exploded when thrown and caused poison/bleed to whoever was hit within a radius (minor damage from a direct hit), secondary was a smoke bomb, and melee was a chloroformed cloth that had less damage (like the bat) but could deflect projectiles when swung and caused slowdown on a crit.

Is anyone really going to be willing to shoot a dog?

>>146463
>>146463
fallout 3 killing dog meat (hard)

Almost any conceivable role could be filled by alternate weapons for the existing classes instead of a new class. Demoknight is practically it's own class.

>>146405
I can do that, but I would need the cranium and something else to even it up a bit. The cranium goes for about 5,700 on the warehouse and the Dragonborn goes for about 10,200 or so which is where I would be getting it from.

>>146498
I honestly wish Demoknight WAS its own Swordsman class or something.

Nothing is more irritating than getting killed by a Sentry and expecting one of the three Demomen on your team to handle it, only to find three idiots with the Chargin' Targe and booties.

>>146584
Hmm, in that case I can give you a key for it.
Since keys are around 11500 credits each.

>>146598
Ya, I really wish that when you go to select your class and it shows your teammates on the bottom, there was some way to mouse over them and see what they are equipped with.

>>146599
I can do that and throw in two scraps with the helm to even it up.

>>146601
You can always just press 'F' to see what they have equipped. Or check if they have a shield.

>mutton chops now paintable

and so the lime and pink taint extends a little bit further

>>146712

Full update

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/February_9,_2012_Patch

> Added the Boston Boom-Bringer
> Fixed the Heavy bots not spawning in the commentary maps
> Updated ctf_doublecross:
> Added a respawnroom visualizer to the dropdown spawn exit to prevent griefing
> Updated community and promotional items:
> Soda Popper: improved model and texture
> Winger: fixed first-person clip reloading
> Apparition's Aspect: updated mesh to reduce clipping with many hats
> Hero's Tail: added an additional style that more strongly responds to paint
> Bonk Boy: added an additional style that leaves the Scout headphones visible
> Additional items are now paintable:
> Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe
> Planeswalker Goggles
> Pilotka
> Nanobalaclava
> Cold War Luchador
> Cremator's Conscience
> Dashin' Hashshashin
> Desert Marauder
> Relaxed equip region restrictions for the Earbuds so that they can be equipped with anything
> Lokalisierungsdateien aktualisiert[1]
>
>Undocumented changes
>
> Equip region changes:
> Added "arms" region to B-ankh!
> Added "lenses" region to the Blazing Bull
> Whiff of the Old Brimstone is now "grenades"
> Add "head" region to Brainiac Hairpiece.
> Buzz Killer is now "Whole Head"
> Cremator's Conscience is now "Grenades"
> Added "glasses" to Professor's Peculiarity
> Removed "Demoman_Grenades" region
> Removed "Pyro_Shoulders" region
> Backpack changes:
> Updated the Soda Popper's backpack icon
> Holiday Punch now makes fabric sounds when moved around
> The Short Circuit and Virtual Reality Headset now make robotic noises when moved around
> Triboniophorus Tyrannus and Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect now make squishing noises when moved
> Silver Bullets no longer show the Sydney Sleeper bullets
> The Blighted Beak, Pencil Pusher and Virtual Reality headset no longer fall off on death
> The Brainiac Goggles no longer hides the Engineer's hardhat
> The Brainiac Hairpiece is now a hat
> The Pencil Pusher, Sniper's Snipin' Glass, Clockwerk's Helm and Storm Spirit's Jolly Hat are no longer marked as paintable

>>146720

>Earbuds now can be equipped with anything

Looks like they're doing one new Aesthetic item per update now. The good news is that there's a shitload of Scout 'updates' this time... now if only the Hermes got a style that included the headset and the walker goggles had one to turn off the regular hat...

I will never not be upset at the amount of people who turned me down when I asked them to log me in from a Mac for earbuds. ALL MY ANGER.

I will never not be upset at the amount of people who turned me down when I asked them to log me in from a Mac for earbuds. ALL MY ANGER.

>>146732
I will never not be upset of getting duped early on in my TF2 trading career for giving my buds away for a HHH, Ellis Hat, 2 Refined, and a Frying Pan.

>>146720
>all those hats that are now paintable
>none of them are the Bonk Boy
fuck everything

>>146734
I was actually offered like 6 buds for my max head once.

I REALLY should've taken that....

>>146742
Ya you should have.
You would have quintupled your investment at the least AND still been able to get a new Max head while keeping a profit. But hey, we all make bad snap judgements now and then.

>>146738
I'd rather it have the option to be decaled.


To the Saxxy Awards guys: I'm not super great at video editing or know much about Garry's mod, but if you ever need another body on the field for some reason, I'm more than happy to help.

>>146744
Yeah, mine was basically based on "I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ME TO TRADE THIS THING AND I AM ANGRY AND CLOSING THIS WINDOW NOW".

Dang :/

>Trade with a friend for some vintage items
>looking up costs of the craft vintage items I don't have
>1-3 refined each
WHAT. WHY.

THAT'S JUST. WHAT. Some people have them listed for higher than the genuine shogun pack items. Whyyyyyy.

>>146721
That's nice, sadly the earbuds are stupidly expensive and unavaliable for plenty of people. Which annoys me.

I'm waiting for the earbuds to become purchasable in the mann co store to completely eradicate the in-game economy.

>>146759
>mac exclusive item in the shop
Even then it wouldn't affect the Mannconomy that much. Max's Severed Head, or Lucky Number 42 would just go on to be the big staple gold standard.
Nothing would really change.

>>146761
I just want a Bill's Hat. Why that can't be craftable?

How accurate is that spreadsheet?

This one. http://tf2spreadsheet.blogspot.com/

Cause if it is then the hat I want is affordable.

>>146754
>>146769
They are, but they are so awesome; pic related, I'm finally wearing my Safe'n'Sound + buds combo again. Feels good, mon.
This is what I call the Geek set, not too fancy, but has style.

And about the Bill's hat, it's a promo, so there's no way of getting it besides trading with someone else.

>>146759
>>146771
Unfortunately, that will never happen, mainly because Valve, and it's true that it won't end this crazy ingame economy (That's "Mannconomy" for you).

About the spreadsheet, I have said this many times: It's not THAT accurate. What they do is see the current trades of other people and show a current estimate range of value, and many make the huge mistake of following it religiously exactly as it is when is supposed to be a guide, a "suggestion"; the owners (or owner) of the site even said this by themselves, people don't get it. It's a mirror, not a goddamn commandment.

Also, I accidentally the game again.

>>146777
Man, and my last hat drop was a Sn'S. That looks so pretty.
So jelly.
But how other promo hats have become craftable?

>>146777
Oh I know it's a guide, it's just that I didn't realize some of the hats I wanted were that cheap.