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>NWN is good but in terms of ambition is little more than your average D&D campaign,
Well yeah, you don't buy the game for the default campaign. The thing about NWN, and NWN2 is that you're basically buying a tool kit. It's like complaining that RPG makers default game samples are bad. NWN and NWN2 weren't great games, but they were definitely more noteworthy then KOTOR. I'd rather a glitchy, buggy game making interface then an incredibly forgettable RPG.
>and Mass Effect is a mediocre space shooter which got worse with the sequel (and then there's ME3 which looks just outright dreadful).
Mass Effect is a mediocre space shooter on top of a very good role playing game. The fact that it qualifies as mediocre is a success (not a brilliant success, but a success) because that's only the medium by which the RPG is conveyed. As a roleplaying game, it's better then anything else they've made, with more genuine choice and actually engaging character development. In that regard, I certainly consider the second game to be much better then the first one.
One thing that always strikes me about people, even if they criticize Mass Effect, is how much they can remember about it. KOTOR is basically a big empty spot on my brain. I actually had to look up a plot summary to even write the post above, because I really can't remember doing anything. I have only the vaguest recollections of two NPCs and one of them was the R2 unit (R4 unit?).
Mass Effect has so many characters, places and scenes that stick with you that I feel it's easily the strongest game they've ever made. For me, a Role Playing game is about my ability to be invested and care about the characters and setting. I think one of the reasons we hear so much complaining and dread about Mass Effect 3 (and I'm definitely in this camp) is that, for fans, it's not just a matter of a disappointing game, but the potential for ruining the characters and setting that has people on edge.
I've never played Baldur's Gate, I'd like to get around to it, but I think we can agree that saying KOTOR was the best Bioware has to offer, followed by defending TOR pretty much establishes that you have bad taste and should feel bad.
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