>>121243
yea they should have known from the short popularity life of Star Wars MMO that people will get annoyed with this. This "you can create your own saga" bullshit doesn't cut it.

>>121247
But Galaxies allowed me to live out my personal dream of being a moisture farmer!

>>121243
They don't die in two years when they go up against WoW. I hate how everyone seems to think that whenever an MMO comes to try and challenge WoW (And by challenge I mean is released at all, because apparently that's what every MMO is trying to do hurr hurr hurr) and they don't get like fucking 5 million subscribers or some shit it's a flop.

Plenty of these so called "WoW challengers" have a stable population that supports them just fine. That being said I HOPE KOTOR ends up being good, but my hope has been slowly dwindling over time. It certainly doesn't help that it's going to go by the normal PPM dealio and be overwhelmingly instanced. I'm okay with PPM MMO usually, but stop the fucking instancing jesus fucking christ an MMO is about playing with other people.

>>121247
>>121257
Hey, SWG had plenty of good things going for it. SOE just ran it into the ground.

>>121259
I posted >>121257
and I have to admit that though SWG was a pointless sprawl at the beginning, it honestly did have a lot of potential. I joke about being a moisture farmer, but it seems like many MMOs have stepped away from the attempt to making a place feel like a living world, one where you can grab a sword and join a fight OR just stay at home and make your living as a farmer or a doctor in a backwards town on a wayward planet (which is what I did until I got really bored).

So, I'll give SWG its due. It was unbalanced, buggy, had tons of largely pointless crap like a skill branch dedicated to fighting with polearms, but it was wild and experimental, and if it didn't shoot itself in the foot it could've been something.

>Old Republic hate
Star Wars 29:30

It will be shit, this is inevitable. The bigger question is how much will it hurt Bioware when it inevitably flops.

>>121268
It's not going to be the revolutionary game they are making it out to be. It may not even be good enough to call an average MMO, but it isn't going to flop.

I know everyone on /v/ knows all the flaws in it, but the fact of the matter is you are merging star wars, which WILL bring in a large amount of people just because it is star wars with bioware. Bioware has a pretty big following and a fairly positive reputation (that is of course unless you visit places like /v/).

The game is going to have a huge launch. It'll be tough to even get in the game and servers will be crashing because of the sheer number of people. And while it will more than likely lose a significant number of people within the first year, it will have enough of a userbase to survive and Bioware will make money off of it.

>>121261
>Polearms

Psh. Everyone knows Teras Kasi is where it's at.

>>121268
Comedy gold.

>>121273
>>121268
I don't get it.

If this fails, I'd like to think Bioware gets the chance to correct the mistakes they've made in the past few years and stop being ashamed of the fact that they make RPGs.

Of course, what will really happen is they'll get rebranded as EA Edmonton and limp along for a few more years until they get put out of their misery. They've got too much money tied up in this to survive if it fails.

>>121274
Their movements are wooden, their reaction times seem rather delayed, and the voice acting's not so hot. It's like watching an old b-movie.

>>121275
Yet this needs to die for Bioware to rise again..whatever form that might be.

>>121270
>>it is star wars with bioware.
No it's not. Everything bioware can bring to the table is negated by this being an MMO.

>>121275
>correct the mistakes they've made in the past few years
This would only happen if ME3 also bombs. We need ALL their non-RPG crap to bomb at once if we want them to get back on track.

>>121301
Um, Mass Effect 3 is an RPG.

Most estimates agree that dev costs have run over a hundred million dollars at this point. Now, there's no release date or subscription pricing scheme out yet, but if you just go by sales and assume they don't spend any more money on it from here on out, they need to sell two million copies at fifty dollars each to break even.

KOTOR 1 only barely broke two million copies sold on the Xbox, which we can assume is more than the PC version tallied.

Factoring in the downturn the SW brand has taken lately (especially in games) and the failure of the previous SW MMO, plus the brand hit Bioware took with Dragon Age 2 being such a let-down, I'm pretty sure this isn't going to sell two million copies. So its success is going to rely heavily on subscriber retention.

And this is operating in a vacuum circumstances where there's no competition. In actuality, Diablo III is entering public beta later this summer and Guild Wars II is at some point in 2011. Both games can be counted on to grab a healthy number of players from the MMORPG pool due to being Diablo III and subscription free, respectively.

This whole thing wouldn't be an issue if they dropped that subscription fee by 10 dollars. I could justify paying five bucks a month to play TOR. I could not justify paying fifteen a month. I would pay 60 dollars for a year of TOR, but not 180. That's the reason people are saying its competition is WoW. The price-point is the exact same and they're coming from shakier ground.

>>121302
No it's not. It's a shooter, oh I'm sorry, you can use your fists, it's an Idiot Simulator. In either case, it's not an RPG.

>>121305
...

>>121305
You just made a lot of monks very sad.

INB4...

>>121305
Oh you~

>>121309
Yeah that's the objection, and not that it's gone from galactic politics and choice with consequence to WOW LOOK AT SHEP PUNCH THE SPACE SQUID SO BADASS~

For Bioware to recover, it first needs to fall, and fortunately TOR should be terrible enough to deal a blow in that regard, but it'd be best if it AND Mass Effect 3 bombed.

>>121313

Please go back to the Mass Effect General thread where your idiocy can be safely segregated from the general population.

>>121313

>choice with consequence

Uhm... isn't that one of the things they're advertising?

I mean obviously there's combat involved (there's a fucking war going on) but I'm pretty sure one of the main aspects of ME3 is that you can wind up deciding which races get destroyed by the reapers and which ones don't.

I've been disappointed from the start that they decided to go with an MMO structure because I'm just not interested in playing an MMO. I loved the first game, and the second was fun albeit flawed; I would buy a single-player KOTOR 3 in a heartbeat. I'd probably even pre-order it.

But an MMO? No, I'm not that kind of gamer. I've tried them, and they just don't fit me. Having it be an MMO makes it a non-starter for me, KOTOR or not.

It will bomb in the eyes of EA shareholders and game funders and that's all that will matter. The public can bulk all it wants, eleitest of any type can say how much better it was in the past, but when this doesn't get certain people gold plated toilets fast enough it will be seen as a failure and dropped. If that will include bioware itself I don't know.

>>121319
That would be a good thing for them since EA has harmed them more than I think they'll care to admit. DA2 would still be in production and not released until this fall or next year with ME3 if they had another company like 2K over them instead of EA.

If The Old Republic flopping would teach Bioware a lesson, I'm for it. But they need to survive because I still want a Jade Empire sequel, damn it.

If you want a game to fail and people to lose their jobs because you're convinced it's gonna be ass?

Based on preview material?

More to the point, because said preview material indicates a the development direction isn't the one you would have wished for?

Then you're the kind of fan the studio is going to tune out, and with good reason.

>>121374
Bioware have been making bad games (Oh god DA2) and dumping huge amounts of money into something that looks like it'll be the crown turd to end all turds. People bad at their jobs should not have them.

>>121375

And they need a catalyst like that to either give themselves the balls to take back control from EA or strike out to another company that will let them be Bioware of quality.

>>121374
It has nothing to do with preview material. It's because it's a very very late cynical attempt to jump on the MMO gravy-train and it's diverted resources from worthwhile projects.

>>121381
One that hasn't been getting good attention even without bioware hunting down videos like >>121268 and paying the usuall suspects with house threats from EA for good press coverage. This wouldn't be as disheartening as the fact that the game is slated to be released "in the second half of 2011" and it has been shifting around dates for almost a full year now. It feels like a report that a kid keeps trying to get postponed without putting any further work into it until he finally gets flunked.

Whoa, whoa...I was watching Unskippable today and at the end they had a "200 million dollars, folk" line. Is there any semi-concrete numbers on the cost of this game? Because if it's gone over 200 million dollars...

>>121500
Saw on an KOTOR section of the Rift board that someone was defending the lackluster preformance of this back at PAX claiming that 5-8 writers have been making content for years (ppft) and that he was sure the price tag of 300 MILLION would be worth it. So I'd ballpark its costs within those numbers and ask who or what the fuck were they paying for?

>>121502
Oh yea and that Intro Cinematic would be awesome for KOTOR 3..which this isn't and which they'll scramble to take after this cluster knocks them on their backside and if the number is that high on investment it will kill them if it fails as massively as it looks. Yak could have made a great universe but nope ya had to sell out to EA...its your own fault Bioware.

Don't worry. When it bombs, I'll take over the KOTOR brand...personally...

>>121511
No you don't, you already showed that you fucked up Episode 3 to the point where you are letting whatever Clone Wars does become the replacement Canon...though it might not be a bad idea if he shows that same level of Forethought.

>>121514
It's only a matter of time. It is inevitable...

>>121511
>>121515
No! NOOOOOOOOOOO!

>"your party often needs a healer. The Empire is evil so it can't just have a healer, right? So instead the Empire characters have an ability called..."Dark Heal"."

http://kotaku.com/5810509/the-more-they-keep-telling-me-star-wars-the-old-republic-isnt-like-world-of-warcraft-the-less-i-want-to-play

> We have two diverse factions, but they will play exactly the same to conform to current MMO mantras and established balance

What annoys me the most is it's not even a Star Wars game. It's a game where bounty hunters don't hunt bounties, smugglers don't smuggle and the jedi wield glowing sticks, not lightsabers. Bioware made a world that offered endless possibilities and used none of them, instead relying on established tropes and cliches. It's not SW, it's just a re-skinned WoW.

OP can this also be a KOTOR I & II thread?

>>121742
>The Empire is evil so it can't just have a healer, right? So instead the Empire characters have an ability called..."Dark Heal".
Does this seem incredibly stupid to anyone else?

>>121745
Incredibly.

>>121745
To anyone with a working brain.

>>121745
that is why they have stuff that leeches life from others or actually is the exact same thing the Jedi do because the base method is the same but the tenants lead to different paths. How about Sith can only go into a healing trance that can be boosted by a leech life specialization and while in trance they cannot fight but it gives them a higher force def when healing and heals more with the specialization. Did they not think at all when they made this? Clearly not the same people from KOTOR or KOTOR2

http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/801-adios-to-star-wars-galaxies

Welp...that is something..looking worse and worse as things go down the road here.

I sure wish Obsidian still had the reins.

>>121745
It's especially stupid considering the KOTOR series already has established methods for Dark Side characters to heal themselves - the Drain Life power, which takes health from enemies to heal the user.

In fact, there would be some interesting applications to MMOs if they decided to go that route. If they handwaved it so that the healing class was a sort of conduit for the Drain Life power to his teammates, they could make Healing dependent on team DPS - alone, the Dark Side Healer is limited to whatever he can do with items and his own damage, but in a group the healing flows like there's no tomorrow.

But I have a feeling this Dark Heal thing is just going to be the regular Heal animation, but red instead of blue.

>>121742
>It's a game where bounty hunters don't hunt bounties, smugglers don't smuggle

Yeah... something that's always bugged me about BioWare's Star Wars stuff is their singleminded push to making everything as much like the movies as possible. Making "Smugglers" and "Bounty Hunters" defacto opposites just reeks of trying to get people to play out Han Solo vs. Boba Fett a million times, and fits right in with Republic troopers that are clearly as similar-but-not-the-same as Clone Troopers as possible, and two previous KOTOR games where the Jedi have been driven to extinction, with you as their last hope, just like Luke in the original trilogy.

>>123218
Bioware strikes me as one of those fans that beyond the movies never really got into the Extended Universe which is a damn shame because I'd love a MMO where I could put and carry out bounties on other players. I mean someone watching an ambush go down outside the Cantina, Jedi being tracked, running a load of spice past an imperial blockade. I mean so much could be done. Hell an ambitious bastard going all the way to attempt a Lord British on the Emperor or Vader. So much openness that could have been...but never will be.

>>123204
Really, if they weren't rushed to finish the game by Christmas and allowed to release it at their own pace, it would've been superior to the first in every respect.

At least it got away with better writing.

>>123218
>their singleminded push to making everything as much like the movies as possible

"I swear to the Force I'm not Darth Vader, guys!"

>>123320
> it would've been superior to the first in every respect.

The character design alone was vastly superior to the first one. I mean, Sion & Nihilus versus Malak? No contest.

(Also, JESUS, I thought Malak was a halfassed Darth Vader wannabe. Malgus looks like something somebody drew after just reading a description of Vader in a book, and drawing what they saw in their head)

I just found out my dad caters food to Bioware...

>>123415

You live in Alberta?

>>123416
No, Austin.
The Studio that's currently working on The Old Republic.

Star Wars is NOT suited to the click wait attack style of play. Lightsabers can literally cut through almost anything, combat in TOR makes these weapons seem like whiffle bats or something and not one of the deadliest (and coolest) weapons made by mankind. KOTOR* barely works, people remember it more for its story and a general sense of open-ended progression than how the combat is set out. TOR instantly demonstrates the futility of imposing a class system on this universe by having the ridiculous choice of Bounty Hunters as "healers". If money was less of an issue to Bioware, then something along the lines of a "massively multiplayer online action adventure game" would be much more brave - more of an emphasis on real-time combat where you actually feel in control of your character rather than just clicking over there to move or clicking on that guy to attack him. Much more of a focus on PVP, i.e. jedi duels that were featured in every movie as some of the coolest bits. Not "your WoW-style group of different classed adventurers takes it in turns to hit a giant rancor for five consecutive minutes and then squabble over the loot when it drops". That has never been part of the Star Wars mythos, it's purely imposed on TOR by the conventions of MMOs today. In addition to this the idea of having non-jedi classes (bounty hunter, trooper etc) alongside Jedi and sith seems pretty ridiculous in terms of lore. If Bioware are intent on doing this, however, why not look at what makes people WANT to be a bounty hunter? The sort of cool, lone gunslinger striking from the shadows and more often than not running away from trouble rather than engaging in it. Playing a character, with a distinct style, fighting in a way you would imagine he would fight. Instead, what does TOR provide? Click. wait. attack. click. heal. click. enemy dead. next one. click. etc etc... (cntd.)

tl;dr
>Not exactly hating the combat, but it's nonsensical and out of date, especially for a Star Wars game

*Not hating on KOTOR I & II, they're perfectly fine games. But they also fall prey to "whiffle bat" syndrome along with sometimes buggy/unbalanced gameplay (i.e. light side is shit tier for combat powers, no reason to use guns in the late game, traps are useless, grenades rape everything, etc.)

>>123426
>*Not hating on KOTOR I & II, they're perfectly fine games. But they also fall prey to "whiffle bat" syndrome along with sometimes buggy/unbalanced gameplay (i.e. light side is shit tier for combat powers, no reason to use guns in the late game, traps are useless, grenades rape everything, etc.)
>light side is shit tier for combat powers

Now that I think about it the light side makes perfect sense they're kinda "meh" at first but once you invest more points in them they become quite handy. Buffing your entire team with one spell? That's great! I only thought this because in comparison the dark side's advantages are more immediate and visceral, which kinda makes sense when you take in the "light-dark" ideology of star wars. It might just be that the dark side is overpowered instead of the light side being underpowered.

Polite sage for correcting myself and looking like an ass as of right now.

>>123426
Cortosis weave. Cortosis weave everywhere.

http://www.betacake.net/2011/07/star-wars-old-republic-exclusive-tester.html


>Q: Hi i would like to ask either RickRoss or the other tester about something that may be considered as a spoiler. My question is about Darth Revan quest line. From where dose it start(planet-level) and where it finish (if either one of them managed to finish it).


>A. I won't go into specifics, but Revan's quest line ends sadly in the 30's. And the Republic, to my knowledge doesn't get a quest line for him.
*SPOILER* You kill Revan if you are Empire in a Flashpoint in the 30s.

>You kill Revan if you are Empire in a Flashpoint in the 30's
>You kill Revan if you are Empire in a Flashpoint in the 30's
>You kill Revan if you are Empire in a Flashpoint in the 30's

>>124793
Oh good. They're not content to just ruin the future of the KOTOR series, they want to go back and shit up the originals, too.

It's very George Lucasian, really.

>>124793
Dear Bioware, please kill yourselves.

Signed,
Everyone that actually cared about KOTOR

>>124793
Lucas didn't even need to touch this part of the franchise, Bioware went ahead and ruined it for him.

>>124793

WHY

>>124793
Uhhhhhhhh...didn't Revan die hundreds of years previously? The game takes place well after the good KOTOR games, doesn't it?

>>124883
"Well you see Revan found some techno doohicky in the outer Rim that made him immortal to everything but your level 30 blaster."

>>124907
Immortality =/= Invulnerability

>>124908
That is dependent on the scale of competency the writers have and will most likely have Revan’s weakness be some mission specific blaster they just hand to you to kill him/her.

http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/07/the-old-republic-pre-order-leak-maybe/

interesting number of preorder things, damn shame its not a good Single Player to capstone the KOTOR franchise and just a at most passable MMORPG.

More Dead Space 2.

The Solar Array business combined the effective arc structure of Dead Space 1 with the superior technical execution of Dead Space 2. I wish the whole game was like this.

>>121268
Bioware what are you doing?
SW:TOR 29:30 Beta Update
That is not how you improve something.

>>126562
ohhhh....I mean....ohhhhhhhh. Holy fuck that timing....cripes KOTOR was better than that for most of the game...and that was back in 2003!!!! I mean that whole event played like a fucking high school production!!!!!!

"Okay, I inject him after Mike shoots his droid and then..okay I go to my mark."

FUCK!!!!

Christ it's so cringe-inducing. Also I like how the needle never actually touches the Player-Character's arm.

>>126566
Meant to link here.
>>126562

>>126562
I continue to be glad they're wasting money on this instead of a single player KOTOR sequel!

>>126562
Did you see the hair on that guy? Oh man even the models are terrible to look at. What team are they using for this, the same people who made dragon age?

>>126591
nah, hair in Dragon Age has some sense of Texture regardless of how silly it is. This..I don't know what this is but it isn't anywhere close to what things should be at in 2011.

>>126596
Yeah it also doesn't explain why both jedi in this scene are freakishly large either. I mean fucking 10 foot humans, probably have them smaller then yoda too so the final product will be full of towering giants and dwarfs running at your pelvis. It's like they took something that was going to be another free to play generic fantasy MMO and put a Kotor filter on it.

>>126562
HA! EA did a take down.

Also according to a Beta player they've removed this Quest

DUN DUN!!

>>127060
>HA! EA did a take down.
We'll see about that!
29:30 Beta Update

>Also according to a Beta player they've removed this Quest
I can see why. It's become the poster child for criticism/derision of the game.

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/bioware-plans-for-swtor-to-last-decades/

HA HA HA HA!!!! *sigh* think of how great a Capstone KOTOR3 could have been..but EA had to have their WOW.

>>127182
Absolutely everything I've seen and heard about this game from various devs makes me think this won't last more than a year.

>>127182
Wait, I thought they weren't being serious with that answer.

>>127196
They weren't. They were being facetious.

>>127182
EA seems to want to weed out bioware more then get a good game or else it'd actually be a good idea at face value. The MMO has been dead and claimed by blizzard for years.

>>127202
They want to kill it and eat the remains like what happened with the Command and Conquer fellas.

>>127208
>They want to kill it and eat the remains like what happened with the Command and Conquer fellas.
Oh Westwood Studios, why did EA have to destroy you?

>>127210
Looking at it they've been the bullying bastard for their entirety of existence using up developers and just milking properties to death and tossing the scraps to the wind. If TOR fails I hope that some of Bioware can escape while this drags EA down into the depths of hell where it belongs.

Am I the only the only one who actually gave up on KOTOR when this game was announced ages ago and thus isn't surprised?

Come on, KOTOR is dead and gone, just like Timesplitters and any sense of optimism for possible Star Wars films. The only reason I ended up upset about about Megaman Legends 3 getting canned was it was an unexpected revival from a company that excels at them and looked absolutely glorious before quickly crashing in on itself. They raised my hopes for an instant before shattering them.

For some reason, TOR never held any hope for me to begin with.

...am I a jaded asshole?

>>127281
No, that all sounds pretty reasonable.

How likely is it that the game will turn out like my image?

So apparently this game is not only going to be terrible but is going to be tied to EA's new customer harassing online distribution "service" Origin. The thing that is trying to butt heads with steam about ripping off people with shitty stripped down versions of games if they don't buy it from Origin and most likely being a step up from regular invasive SecROM while having access to credit card numbers. Jesus christ how is this company still alive?

>>127336
>Silly Sith baka~
That was a bit much, but beyond that I think you hit the nail square on the head.

EA just pulled another game off Steam. Looks lie Steam will have an EA Less future..fine by me as long as I get a refund if they pull their entire library.

Look at it this way guys:

There will never be a KOTOR 3 written by the Dragon Age team. We are spared that. In reality, the only ones who could do KOTOR 3 right today are Obsidian, and that's not fucking happening, they'd never work with Lucasarts again.

Gamescom Coverage : Hyper WTF …

>>128614
My god, you can hear the disappointment and disgust in TB's voice, but he's too polite to actually voice it right in front of the employee.

Has anyone worked out how much they could have put into other game development rater than this sinkhole.

Met a few guys from Bioware Austin the other day.

Spoilers: The game isn't going well. Shocking yes?

>>128655
Heh listen to Total Biscuit mention in that bit about 6-7 years development and the Bioware dude gets kinda sad. I mean I can tell the man knows that something is wrong with this in his heart but he won't say it.

Star Wars: The Old Republic - …

You ready for some Bli..eeerr Huttball?

>>128684
Were you about to say Blitz Ball?

Cause Blitz Ball didn't have GUNS.

>>128684
So let me get this straight, they decided to make another video with a terrible intro by some random programer when the game ITSELF described the rules of this stupid gimic faster then the programer did? Do they even know what they're doing in these videos?

Also it's not a good sign when even Steven blum recordings sound disinterested in this game.

>>128685
Blitzball was, however, a clanky sports mini game within an RPG that was miles away from being fun or resembling a real sports game

>>128686
Trying to show confidence in something where there is clearly a lack of it. Its like the thing with TB mentioning the years of development that supposedly went into this and this is what they have to show for it..doesn't inspire confidence in the consumer for something they'll have to pay a monthly subscription for. If they wanted to focus on story they should have made it either the capstone for KOTOR or a new Star Wars Franchise RPG. Because as it looks it looks like a waste of a license and writing because people that like an RPG story don't want to pay every month so they can complete it and I don't think the MMO people will care for something new when an established MMO already gives them what they want.

Long HBall match

SWTOR PVP Huttenball - GamesCom 2011 Köln

>>128702
Oh I understand the theory behind the video, I'm just not sure they even know what they're recording or going to show when almost all of the crap the programmer said wasn't needed when the gameplay actually started. Its offensive from both a consumer standpoint and basic video editing as if they had no professionalism what-so-ever to even check the content they’re matching up; might as well just make the next video out to have Bioware look completely pathetic in the hopes of drilling up sympathy players at this point if they don’t even to care to LOOK like they’re trying. Why even attempt to generate a false sense of pride in this?

>>128705
They should just edit in crickets churping into the background with an audience this dead. I can't believe this video makes me miss hearing background noise.

WTF is Star Wars : The Old Rep…

He sounds quite bored.

>>128710

I don't get that impression at all. And I'm pleasantly surprised to see the combat looks like Star Trek Online or Champions, even if people keep comparing it to WoW, which it doesn't seem like imo.

>>128710
>that part where he crouches behind the goddamn DESK and the dude keeps shooting it
God DAMN IT this game looks awful graphically.

They should have just dumped the fucking MMO aspect and made a proper KOTOR game, that would have saved them so much fucking time and money, and probably for a much better product and return.

Well, at least they're limiting how many people the game can hurt.
http://kotaku.com/5832876/ea-confirms-launch-copies-of-star-wars-the-old-republic-will-be-limited

>>128745

Yep a decent Capstone to the Trilogy or a new series that expanded out from just the Jedi point of view as a Co-op game it would have been great with a Jedi and their Bounty Hunter friend going around the universe but as it stands its a middle of the road MMO like that Star Trek ended up as and for a Licensed Franchise that isn't good enough speically when you got Bioware pouring a ton of story and VA work into it that wont mean shit to the vast amount of people that will play this.. MMO while being still successful the Co-op is starting to come into its own and I think this game would have made a lot better two player plus NPC Grand Scale RPG Adventure than what this has come out as. As said waste of time and money that wont ever become a classic since in the next few years time many of the main game servers will likely be reused for whatever the hell EA decides is their next epic MMO experience.

>>128747
Oh right, I keep forgeting this is an EA game. As if I didn't have enough of a reason to stay away from it.

>>128760
That's just fine. Because you can't have it. We're not offering it to you.

I still can't get over the fact that Bioware decided to put NPC romances in an MMO, the one genre whose main draw is allowing multiple people to interact and play the game simultaneously. All it accomplishes is distracting the player from interacting with his fellow players. It's literally a waste of development time on their part and I don't have a clue why they'd do it.

>>128778
Maybe they moved Hamburger Helper over to do it? That would be awesome if she couldn't catastrophize any more Dragon Age or Mass Effect.

>>128778
Because they've become a terrible fucking developer?

>>128778
Attempt to draw in the fans of KOTOR into it. "See there is still a RPG here if you want to play it" Fucking stupid idea having NPCs party members in this kinda experience.

>>128805
And this is starwars bioware, so we don't know how much farther they'd go to turn dating NPCs into some further exageration of tali and be able to get away with it - or worse profit from that alone.

>>128806
http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/08/swtor-crew-skills-explained/

Now wondering how many NPCs they will have that will be actual people or just be crew to fill slots in your skill tree and do stuff for you.

>>128834
Calling it now, some of the recruited NPCs are the same you can romance and your computer girlfriend will just exist to craft and farm for you. And people will actually act like they're a real person and not just a glorified bot going into terrible detail about how she services you while writing up 100 page rants of how she is the pefect woman or flow charts about how her sweat tastes.

Gamescom Coverage : The Old Re…

>>128896
for all that I see something still feels lost in this whole thing. I mean is there any real benefit to the zone combat?

Gamescom Coverage : The Old Re…

>>129067
Cool the bikes look fast enough that one could work out a Underground Racing circuit on the battle maps.

Really, Bioware? Really?

>>129174
Little jedi cannot stand the onslaught of sasha!

>>129174
You know, I still have fond memories of this scene.

>>129188
Yeah, I wish that gun looked as sleek as the stuff in clone wars.

>>129194
IS 3500 YEARS OLDER! IS LIKE SAYING CATAPULT NOT AS SLEEK AS RPG7 ROCKET LAUNCHER!

>>129174

Finally! Bioware found a way to make Star Wars interesting.

>>129291

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/

Double not cool since EA seems to be heading toward pulling their stuff from Steam.

>>129174

Okay, that's one positive thing...

http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/09/swtor-release-date/


KOTR just in time for X-mas!!! And it won't be down till January because most the support staff is on vacation...honest.

>>132775
So we can pay for a game that won't even work because none of the people who maintain the server will care to do so for about a month. Wonderful.

>>132776

And don't forget they still haven't announced the price for the game itself yet. If its has high as rumored..oohhh boy.

http://alterswtor.com/archives/2027

Worse than George Lucas at raping their own material now. Worse than the prequels now.

>>132827
bottom line it for me

If you have to use speeders indoors there is a problem because that just looks silly.

>>132829
Revan and HK-47 get killed by some level 35 questers who proceed to loot Revan's corpse and steal his pants.

>>132827
I...

I just...

Fuck this game and the people who made it.

>>132836
wow that is sadder than what happened to 47 in the old SWO.

>>132836
wow that is sadder than what happened to him in the old SWO.

>>132827
It's official: Everything about this series is tainted.

>>132827
>Revan
>the best dualist in the galaxy, quite possibly the strongest force user in The Old Republic's setting
>the only person strong enough to control the Star Forge
>conquered the Republic, beat the Mandalorians and defeated the Sith
>killed by 4 random persons with no where near the same power

Fuck you Bioware, you had me until you pulled this crap.
Revan took down a fucking army on the Star Forge, but now he can't handle 4 nobodies.

>>132843
It kind of makes me want to hack an account just to grief anyone stupid enough to pay for this game. By all accounts Old Republic must fail miserably. It shouldn't just tank and pass like a fart in the wind, it needs to become a perpetual black hole of money for EA on a level greater than the account hacks of PSN. I'm talking fire and brimstone corporate downfall; drives the heads of the company to jumping out of a window bad.

>>132827
>>132836

>>132859
with its reported costs in developement I don't see it being anything else but a massive fail. I mean I look at it and it just does not look like fun to me in any shape or form.

>>132827
The most Star Wars thing about that was the sound.

>>132836
Why is he even still alive, anyway? Isn't this like 200 years later?

>>132891
age is a strange thing in star wars with 120 being about middle aged in most cases.

I honestly hope everyone that worked on this game is out of the job soon. This is honestly worse than FF14.

>>132904
Now now, let's not say something we might regret.

I think you're all over-reacting. Like... a lot.

>>132909
Why would we? The only good Bioware game in years was DA1, and that started production before the EA merger. It's a fucking DEAD developer.

>>132910
Because we think that a developer that makes bad games and treats their core fanbase like shit shouldn't get away with it?

>giving a definite gender/face to Revan
>nope.avi
Come on. They have at least TRIED to put effort toward it. Don't throw out everything the first two games built up about Revan's motivations and actions just so you have a boss.

And by the looks of it, they decided to just completely ignore everything about the second game. That was one of my favorite parts of TSL - that Revan fell and took over the Republic for a reason. He went dark and used the Star Forge to take over the galaxy so he could prepare it to survive the true Sith.

It was such an interesting change in perspective, especially after spending the whole first game just thinking he was a generic evil guy.

And now they just threw all that out and took it back to the status quo of the first game - there was no greater good, there was no subtle strategy to prepare the Republic, there was just some "Emperor" telling him "hey, I want the Star Forge, you should go get it for me."

>>132912

Because one of you wished harm on other human beings over a fucking MMORPG.

And because you're all completely missing the point, the stories are self-contained within the universe, these are not just "level 35 questers", they're heroes and villains within the universe itself. If this were another single player game, and you played as a nameless character, would it make more sense to you? Or are you that stuck in the World of Warcraft no narrative allowed mentality?

Oh, also, Revan and HK-47 have been out of operation for hundreds of years, it stands to reason they'd not be as strong or effective as they once were. This is hardly aping anyone, like say... Darth Vader in Force Unleashed.

Truthfully, it's a can of worms I don't feel like opening

>>132916
>It was such an interesting change in perspective, especially after spending the whole first game just thinking he was a generic evil guy.
Actually if you pay attention to some things Canderous says in his character conversations, you'll notice that the 1st game already hinted at the True Sith.

>>132911
I know I sound like some bitter neckbeard when I say this, but DA1 wasn't very good. It was easily one of the most generic WRPGs' I've ever played, and that's quite an accomplishment when at least eighty percent of your genre consists of 'hurr middle-ages spells and sorcery setting mixed with varying amounts of Tolkein'. I'd honestly say DA2 was a little bit better, if only because they actually tried to make sure the setting wasn't 100% cliche.

>>132944
>I know I sound like some bitter neckbeard when I say this, but DA1 wasn't very good. It was easily one of the most generic WRPGs' I've ever played
Yeah well that was sort of the point, bringing RPGs back to the basics (except Dwarves, who were actually different for once). It did have some problems though, like being too grimda-
>I'd honestly say DA2 was a little bit better
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132944

I think it was nice of them, in the console version of DA2, to try something to liven up the gameplay a bit. Say what you will about the execution of it, but I enjoyed it from a gameplay perspective substantially more than DA1.

Not enough to purchase the full version, because the story is dumb and the characters are unlikeable, and the PC version is like a completely different game (read: single player MMO), but I mean... at least they tried something.

>>132917
>they're heroes and villains within the universe itself
If I'm playing a videogame and I'm supposed to be the villain or the hero, it breaks my focus on the game to see other people running around playing the same role. I don't just want to be A Hero among many, I want to be The Hero.

Games can only keep my interest with gameplay alone for a day or two. As soon as the novelty of the gameplay wears off, I stop caring. A game really needs to trade on story to keep me focused for long enough to beat them.

And seeing the typical MMO shit, where the world resets when you're done a quest, where there's people higher than you beating quests you can't do until later and there's people below you doing quests you beat weeks ago, it just breaks me out of the game and makes me lose interest.

>If this were another single player game, and you played as a nameless character
That's what made the first game so great, though. You were a nameless, nobody character for the first two thirds of the game. You were some grunt in the right place at the right time, and your companions were the bigshots in the Republic.

>>132947
>read: single player MMO
What? No the PC version is still a shitty hack and slash.

>>132949

I guess I get where you're coming from on the first bit. I don't agree, but I can understand it.

Regarding plot choices, an understandable concern, but I was really only talking about fighting Revan on that one. Neither you, nor I, have the knowledge to say that the plot in this instance isn't going to be similar. I mean, they were fairly late in the game (that's end game content for DCUO, but I don't know what end game is for this), so it's understandable that by this point, they're probably somewhat important to their story, if not the story of the universe on the whole.

>>132950

Not the demo I played. It was all point, click, cooldown, repeat. Did they change it for the retail release?

>>132955
Okay, I'll admit I'm being really unfair to the game by judging the whole thing based on really limited information. I'll stop now.

And about the first part, sometimes I wonder if I'm just starting to not like games anymore, and this is just a symptom of that.

>>132917
EA executives aren't people. And you are right about playing apologetic semantics with this terrible game is a can of worms that shouldn't be opened, it shouldn't even be considered in the first place but it’s too late for that now. Revan isn't even killed in an amazing fight; it’s another tedious quest that is one of the big reasons fans of the Kotor series are expected buy up this turd and a reward for staying with this "game" long to reach the event.

Now you can go back to thinking up reasons why two favorites from the old games are chumps now but isn't the real problem, the problem is that this is the extent of the people behind this game's creativity and writing prowess. That fighting revan is the same boring chore of soullessly waiting for power buttons to refill and for bounty hunters circle shooting everything until they are dead as any other moment in the game. This is one of their big Nostalgia aces in the hole and they can't even make a KILL REVAN mission right.

>>132958

I donno man, lots of people experience immersion in different ways. I wouldn't say not being able to get into something means you don't like games. I, personally, can't get into RPGs that feel more... empty. It could just be two sides of the same coin, really.

Another example is pedestrians in GTA. I mean, I get that they're there to provide you with a sense of the world being alive, but they behave so mechanically, ignoring the sound of a speeding car, rarely trying to get out of its path, etc. It really disrupts my ability to get sucked into the world.

>>132960

You say this as if it would be any different in a KotOR game. Face it, your problem with it isn't the writing, it's that you don't like MMOs. And neither do I, but I fail to see the STRIKING difference between selecting "attack" and using your hotkeys. Maybe there are cutscenes in the final product, maybe there aren't, I don't know. I do, however, know that there is LITTLE difference on the gameplay side of things.

Star Wars KotOR: Final Boss - Malak

Man, how exciting. Totally not just another "tedious" fight.

>I do, however, know that there is LITTLE difference on the gameplay side of things.

and that is where everything falls apart IMO. No development of the Saber system cept different animations to whack at things with with little to no strategy. Forms are now stat buffs that don't do dick for style or ability. Hell Jedi Knight II did that pretty damn well and it came out on 2002 so what is their excuse for still going with Whacky Whacky?

>>132958 Anon here

I'm with Toxie on this one actually; from a purely gameplay mechanics perspective there isn't a whole lot of difference between kotor and mmos.

The main difference would be a lack of cooldowns and time pause in kotor, and that not having time pause in TOR means you can't spam health packs in between rounds of gameplay. The linked video of the Revan battle is actually very similar to most of the boss fights in KOTOR.

TOR doesn't have the turn-based system, but it does have the cooldowns spacing out attacks and giving you time to think about your next move.

>>132971

Because if they changed it too much, people would complain about that as well.

>>132971
It's been a while since I played TSL, but from what I remember saber forms were basically just stat buffs and different swing animations in that, too.

The saber form system was actually one of the things I really liked about TSL; I thought the gameplay was leagues better than that of the first game (but unfortunately, the gameplay alone wasn't enough to sustain it).

>>132976
>I thought the gameplay was leagues better than that of the first game (but unfortunately, the gameplay alone wasn't enough to sustain it).
That's where the infinitely better writing came it, right until Lucasarts buttfucked Obsidian and forced them to not have an ending.

>>132976
with TOR its just stat buffs and no change in animations (according to the boards) which is bugger all stupid and lazy.

>>132965
Yes but that is also an older game, this should be something of value. Commanding almost limitless resources from EA and a presumably experienced team from Bioware this is the best the Old Republic gives us. The fact that they can't do anything with all the time and money wasted on it is worse than any failings of Kotor 1 and 2 combined. These people really can’t think up even a new gimmick to use with a MMO in fucking 2011?

>>132981
> Commanding almost limitless resources from EA and a presumably experienced team from Bioware this is the best the Old Republic gives us
I was wondering about that. How do you spend about $100 million and still have such lackluster animations, uninspired quests, tired combat mechanics, etc.?
>These people really can’t think up even a new gimmick to use with a MMO in fucking 2011?
They have NPC waifus that follow you around. At least I think that's new territory for an MMO.

>>132891
Something about Sith alchemy and the Emperor wanting to squeeze information out of him.

>>132983

>How do you spend about $100 million and still have such lackluster animations, uninspired quests, tired combat mechanics, etc.?

Last time I saw someone running numbers on it the figure was between three to five times that amount so its much worse. Also love that its really going to be overshadowed by the rest of the fall pack releases (R@GE,Arkham City, Skyrim) and being so close to the end of the year and almost certainly not working at a hundred percent out of the gate. I mean if its into December and its getting reported to still be a buggy mess (they still haven't started the open beta last I heard) It won't be on physical shelves when they know other things will sell and mixed with the really limited first run (stated by them because they know their sever system won't be able to handle a really large volume on day one) this is just setting up to be a train wreck.

>Tie-in novel for SWTOR leaked
>That scene where Revan gets killed
VomitChan.jpg, proceeding to copy&paste from the thread.

>"Then you have the Exile, Meetra Surik. Bastila finds her and sends her after Revan. First thing you should know, is that Karpyshyn takes the game he did not write for and retcons everything interesting out of it. The Exile is a normal Jedi who was cut off from the Force and became a normal Jedi when she got it back. The Sith Lords are barely even mentioned aside from the fact that they hunted down the Jedi. Oh, Nihilus' power doesn't exist, in fact it can't exist. A big deal is made that the Emperor does the same thing and its something nobody has ever experienced before. The planet he stripped of the force to empower himself is very traumatic to Meetra, despite her in the game being the same thing. So, that part of the story of KOTOR 2 is retconned. Along with everything that came with it."

There's more in the link.

>Revan anorexic anders looking faggot who no longer has his own agenda or for that matter no longer has any sort of intelligence
>Revan was the EMPRAH's cockslave the entire time
>The Exile and Revan put their trust in ORIGINALCHARACTERDONOTSTEAL LORD SCOURGE and act surprised when the faggot kills the Exile and turns Revan in
>The reason Lord Scourge did this was because he saw a "vision" and knew that The Exile and Revan would fail and that 300 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE somebody else could do it (we'll get to THAT in a second) so instead of telling The Exile and Revan to fuck off back home or whatever he kills The Exile and turns in Revan
> The Exile is now no longer a wound in the force. She has been retconned into a normal run of the mill jedi
> And guess who is the reason LORD SCOURGE killed The Exile and fucked Revan? The Jedi Knight in SWTOR. Your player character is the one who can kill The Emprah while Revan and the Exile cannot.
> You, and 1 million other faggots are all very special snowflakes and can kill the Emprah.

Source: http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=202146

For those who care about /v/'s opinion lol thread is here: http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/111662207#111662466

>>133240
At what point did Karpyshyn lose his mind? What made him think any of this would be good?

Say hello to Revan's "true" face.

>>133242
When he heard the words MMO and decided he could shit on paper and people would eat it up no matter what was in it if they said REVAN and EXILE enough.

>>133240
Welp, that's that I guess. No way I'm giving money to anyone for this game or anything surrounding it.

But at least I have an incentive to go back and play KOTOR II again to enjoy the story in it.

Oh boy, things are heating up on /v/. I'm just glad that this letter is somewhat composed and not, you know, a frothing promise of a painful death.

>>133250
Dear god.


Couldn't they have fucking hire the people Dark Horse had on the KoToR comic? I mean, fuck, they had Malak as a fairly major character and STILL managed to keep 'the Revanchist' vague to the point of being just an important Jedi in a cloak.

>>133282
That would actually be a sound investment. Nothing involving this game is that thought out.

>>133240
>The Exile is a normal Jedi who was cut off from the Force and became a normal Jedi when she got it back.
>Nihilus' power doesn't exist, in fact it can't exist.
But that was the most interesting part of TSL's story! And it would have been great for TOR, because it was the perfect explanation for why killing things made you level up.

The whole idea of experiencing a disruption in the Force, and the emptiness that goes with it, causing you to seek out and consume the Force energy of other beings to replace that empty feeling, and gaining strength from them - that was one of the best illustrations of Dark Side power I've seen, and it was such a complex idea that to this day I'm still not sure I fully grasp it.

I'm not even mad, just... disappointed. I can see why someone would want to just drop all that - it's pretty complex stuff. But I think they could have really gone places with it.

>>132922
Are you referring to that story he tells about the strange ship he and his pals chased to the edge of the galaxy? Because I think that was implied to be a Yuuzhan Vong ship.

>>133667
Nope, it's about how Candaderous mentions that the Mandalorians were challenged to attack the republic by the Sith in a time when there SHOULDN'T have been any Sith.

http://tap-repeatedly.com/2011/10/05/impressions-star-wars-the-old-republic/

>>134455
There's plenty of tidbits about the game that are "HAHA, oh wow!" worthy, but this is my favorite:
>I actually encountered three huge bugs to the horror of the booth staff. The first was becoming stuck on a tree and instantly dying (I brushed passed it). The second was being killed by an invisible enemy without the ability to respawn and the third was the game crashing entirely for no apparent reason, resorting in me having to restart back at the beginning.

>>134455
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/01/mmo-impressions-from-eurogamer-expo-2011-part-2/

Bioware :(

It's so weird to see /v/ having good taste for once.

>>134463
And this is what happens when you attempt to cram an open world MMO full of RPG Story Elements and that is exactly shit. After watching TB play through it at the expo he was at and reading this especially about the unfinished Character Generation and having to be guided away from that because at near three months from launch it wasn't complete yet..this thing is just going to be so much fail. I mean if someone wasn't telling me this was star wars and there wasn't that small smattering of NPC Dialog that made it seem like something was going on I'd think this was some penny ante MMO from the 2004-2006 era trying to copy WOW.

>I'm just going to leave this here.

>So I've leaked screencaps before, but this time around I wanted to do vids. It's a bunch of beta footage I recorded a few days ago and decided to stitch together. The majority of this is from cutscenes. I might upload gameplay/combat stuff later. MAJOR SPOILERS BEWARE.

>Everything's on max settings in 1080p. No anti-aliasing since it's disabled; shadows and texture quality's kinda wonky. Yes, the game looks like ass BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ASS. Deal with it.

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>Revan encounter from the Republic perspective; this occurs in a level 30 instance. It got updated a bit this build, same dialogue however. It's better than the Empire mirror, where Revan gets killed, but it's still pretty fucking terrible.

>PART 1: Premise and conversations leading up to Revan
Revan PART 1

>PART 2: Actual Revan scene, revelations, and aftermath (YOU NEVER GET TO SEE HIM AGAIN)
Revan PART 2

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>Female trooper buildup and romance with Aric Jorgan, the Cathar/CATMAN companion (pet):
F/Trooper & Aric Jorgan (B…

>Alternative romance scene with more obvious sexual implications, but no nose-sucking:
Alternative Jorgan Romance Scene

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>The end of the Trooper story at 50. Nothing really exciting, just the typical 'YOU'RE OUR SAVIOR AND GREATEST HERO EVAH' shit:
Trooper Conclusion @ 50
>1:57, lol.

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>Some fine-quality examples of the production so far (not as great as 29:30 though); most are cutscenes taken from the Trooper's story missions:
Best Game Ever

Newest version of 29:30, now with QUALITY bugs!
Mentos the return of the Jedi

>>134750
Wow, must have hit that droids power supply to make it explode like that. Surprised it didn't kill that NPC right next to it.

>The end of the Trooper story at 50

I'm done.

>Giant gun models just clipping onto the back.

Been doing this for years (fixed it in mass effect by giving them hard points and collapsible/expanding models) And yet this still looks like 2003 level stuff.

>FPS=2
I hope to God this image has been photoshopped.

>>134751
Guess the low level programmers got annoyed at how wimpy the old scenes were and decided to literally blow it up. How would the droid survive that? It looks like his entire CPU was fried in that overload.

>>134744
>Romancing NPCs in an MMO

NO BIOWARE
NO

YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME

>>134762
Yep, here comes creepy online “marriages” to AI being the sole reason this game not only survives but actually makes a profit. Bioware is now the western equivalent of Japanese developers who rely on pandering to socially stunted nerds to sell shitty games.

>>134744
Revan strongly reminds me of Keanu Reeves.

>>134744
The quality of the VAs is pretty uncanny juxtaposed with pretty much everything else.

>>134752
>>134744
>Be rational
>Get 100 dark side points

>>134789
The restrictions of Lucas philosophy are just grand aren't they? APPEASING THE EMPIRE TO GET BACK A FEW PRISONERS IS WORTH GIVING THEM BACK THEIR GENERAL AND WATCH HIM KILL PEOPLE ALL OVER AGAIN. If the difference between light and darkside is in knowing what a war criminal would do if you let him go scott-free then it makes me wonder how the jedi and republic ever really help anyone.

>>134744
So Winnie the Pooh is now a Jedi.

>>134793

Oh bother.

>>134744
Did they get Winnie the Pooh to voice a Yoda?

>>134829
Yep

Wonder if you have to include at least one woman or man in the party to have full conversation options because it seems that the responses are split between the male and female roles.

>>134744
And more stuff showing off how out of place Bioware's Star Wars art design is in Star Wars.

All those Jedi are dressed in stuff that looks like more like Mass Effect stuff. Techno panels on every surface.

>>134831
And the Jedi model is some eight foot tall behemoth with a Fu Manchu mustache which I find hilarious.

>>134750
Man, no matter what they do to try and improve that, they keep fumbling. Hadn't they supposedly scrapped that whole quest anyway?

>>134842

yea word from some testers is that it had been locked out or removed from the Beta.

>>134831
And everything in KoTOR looked just fine.

>>134879
Well, I was never happy with the ships and architecture, design wise, but that's mostly because I really like the organic elements that were so prevalent in the Tales of the Jedi books., and completely absent in KoTOR.
Everything looked like cleaner versions of the movie stuff.

>>134839
Maybe he's a shaved wookie?

KOTOR designs shouldn't look like Movie designs anyway.

There is no fucking way I'm supposed to believe that technology, fashion, and culture went nearly unchanged for thousands of years.

You know, normally I'd be supporting enough to understand that even if it's released in a terrible state, the nature of it being an MMO could mean it can be fixed.

But I'm not seeing much here worth fixing. Not much potential to be had.

http://darthhater.com/2011/10/14/nycc-2011-qa-panel-live-blog/

>7:12: Q: Playable wookies?

>Erickson: No, it is fully voiced. We're not a sandbox. We are a Star Wars movie. No fiction was focused on wookies. Too much time spent listening to yourself.

>>135900
Parts that I find funny

>7:09: Q: Roleplaying community building? Reid: You get to roleplay your dark/light choices. Feels more like an RPG than anything. Erickson: Artists asked why are we making a wedding dress?

Cute but that kinda stuff in Everquest and also in WOW if I remember one happening was spontaneous and trying to prepare for one at this stage is...he's not talking about player/player marriages is he.


>7:13: Q: Is there a reward system for non-extreme alignment paths like grey? A: Ohlen: We won't gimp you. We're careful with it. It doesn't impact all of your abilities. Erickson: You can be snarky and still be light side. You can be a wiseass in conversations but light side. It's the bigger actions that you take that matter.

Yep already seen how well that works.

>7:21: A: Erickson: Voice actors locked into long term contracts, will not change.

Herm...welp it will free up some spaces in other Bioware projects for new talent if the current stable it locked into this.

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2011/10/29/counter-monkey-all-jedi-or-no-jedi/

I think his points resonate quite well with some of the problems that will pop up in the game.

>>137789
Things we all should have learned from the pitfalls of Star Wars Galaxies.

>>137791
I'm thinking their could be a market for a Star Wars game in which the PC isn't/cannot be a Jedi. Its worked before and I think it has some appeal of being the Han or Wedge surrounded by Jedi and yet they are able to hold their own and distinguish themselves because they are able to move beyond the light and dark.

>>137822
And I think the scenarios that he outlines are bound to happen and we already know that the Revan bit plays out kinda like his Vader bit would have had he allowed them to catch up to him. His Jedi scenario will happen in the game and it will either be handled by letting them just rain blaster fire on the Sith Lords and TKO him in seconds (breaking the whole feel of the combat) or telling everyone but the Jedi/Sith of the group to piss off while they handle it themselves (and alienating everyone that didn't pick Jedi)

sage for addendum.

>>137827
>>137822
So it'll be a game using "extremely force sensitive" characters and the player can always call the force a crock of nerf waste? Hell, I'd just settle for a force user who doesn't want to belong to any particular side and gets forced to deal with the stupidity of the jedi on sith in some war.

>>137789

My biggest takeaway from this was that Spoony was a pretty shitty DM.

>>137856

Speaking as a guy who ran Star Wars RPG's before. I kinda agree with him and you at the same time.

Star Wars IS a cinematic kind of game that requires more than just having players run through buildings fighting Stormtroopers and empire goons. It shouldn't be approached like DnD since, well, DnD has no stipulations or "rules" about who should fight what whereas in SW it's attention is a bit more focused on dividing "Jedi" enemies and "Normal" enemies. The only thing Spoony's really at fault here is trying to approach Star Wars encounters like DnD encounters and him realizing that they don't work. Whether or not he could think of a way to work around it or go from there is yet to be seen.

Really if I was forced to run a SW game again I'd just have it so that during the course of an adventure each PC had an rival/foe who would make things personal. A bounty hunter after him specifically, or a thief who picked him out and stole one of his blaster rifles or a ship. Then you have THEM appear before the PC's, along with the sith lords and that way the non-jedi are tempted to go after their own designated asshats and let the Jedi handle the Sith.

Although it WOULD also require PC's who'd be ok with such things because, hey, PC's should be respectin' the Jedi and their ways in a Star Wars game. It comes with the territory.

>>137886
Yea at the same time I can see the crews going "OH SHIT A SITH LORD!!" and making a break for cover but I can see people also wanting to do what happened in his encounter especially with bands of 5-6 players in TOR (Like people who wanted to go Jedi Hunting in Galaxies). Say 1 maybe 2 Jedi per band and you still have two to five others being depending on accompanying NPCs who are going to want to trash a Jeid or Sith. Course this goes along with my thinking that they'll allow encounters between Nonsensitives and Force Users and haven't blocked such encounters from occurring in TOR.

> Star Wars: The Old Republic Beta Impressions
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=14239

>Is Star Wars: The Old Repubic any good?

>And if I were to put all of my thoughts and experiences about the game into a single-word answer to that question, it would really just have to be:

>No.

>Encounters through most of the game are incredibly dull affairs. From level one, you will be going out into the world and fighting groups of three mobs at a time. Over and over again. At level 25, you’ll still be fighting the same groups of three mobs. Three is the number here, like some sad Monty Python reference that’s spiraled out of control. Let me stress, this is not hyperbole – literally, the Old Republic consists of a series of planets filled to the brim with groups of three guys standing around doing nothing. I can’t even recall a lucid example of fighting a battle against more than three guys outside of flashpoints, unless I accidentally aggro’d two groups at once. And it isn’t as if the three-mob-encounters are all that varied either; I guess you might run into a group that has a healer that might get off two or three heals occasionally, but that’s about it. Maybe you’ll run into the occasional group of two or even a lone mob, but four guys, man? That’s ridiculous.
Ha Ha, oh wow.

>>139838
>Three is the number here, like some sad Monty Python reference that’s spiraled out of control.

Three shall be the mobs thou shalt slay, and the mobs of the slaying shall be three. Four shall thou not slay, neither slay thou two excepting that thou then slayest three. Five is right out.

The Old Republic Beta : Charac…

>>139866
That's some pretty shit racial choices.

>>139869
Pfft you want to be something that doesn't look human?

► The Old Republic - Imperia…

Star Wars: The Old Republic - …
Star Wars: The Old Republic - …

Yeah, I just got a notice from my job search site that apparently they are hiring Customer Reps to answer the hotlines when the game goes public.

So if you're getting into this game and you call the CSR about shit, just remember that they guy/gal you might be talking to isn't an american even.

Christ this is just sad....

Uh, how the fuck is Revan in this game anyway?

I mean, doesn't it take place hundreds of years after KOTOR I and II?

Same reason why nothing makes sense after the 1st KotoR: Executive Meddling.

>>140167
>>140167
It's not unprecedented.

>>140190
Well Human life span is roughly 120-150 pending on a few things like planet of origin, cybernetics, use of regeneration meds use of the force etc. Its still a stretch and since it also lumps in The Outcast its more a ploy to draw in fans of the KOTOR series than anything else.

Played the beta today.

Eh.

It's not a horrible MMO. I've certainly played worse, but it's just so.. uninteresting. The story lines really didn't mean much to me, the combat was painfully generic MMO combat, the graphics are not really to my tastes. The game just didn't impress me at all, but it's certainly not awful. It's just bland.

>>140310
I think only a minority are heralding it as "the worst thing ever".

Everyone's just disappointed that after KOTOR I & II Bioware could make something as bland as TOR. Also sheer incredulity that you could put a (conservative) estimate of $100 million into a game, take an IP as immense as Star Wars and give it to a studio as well-known as Bioware, and receive something so mediocre as a result.

Personally I blame EA. They're are always ruining it for everyone else.

SWTOR Beta: Jedi Knight lvl 1 …

>mfw 0:45:00

>>140454
Leetle pocket-sized Jedi.
I want one! :D

I know from experience with other MMOs that I have a very low attention tolerance for MMO gameplay. I would love to be able to access just the story content of TOR, without all the MMO stuff, but I know if I signed up, I'd probably last a week at most before losing interest.

You I got invited to the beta and decided not to sign up.
You know with both Skirim and Skyward to play and I dont even want talk about my backlog...
Also the shit I heard about Origen.

>The game is also sorely lacking in community features. There are no looking for group functions, the auction house barely qualifies as a store, the group size limit is four, and companions take up group slots, character customization is so laughably inconsequential that I don’t even know where to begin, and you can’t invite people onto your ship. Oh yes, you didn’t misread that last part; you cannot invite people onto your own ship! Don’t even ask me about the thought process that went into that last decision, I don’t want to understand it.

Do they just... not realize what MMOs are about?

>>140504
Well, that would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

>>140507
Yep, people told to make an MMO that have totally no experience in it. Its a money pit.

>>140511
It may not be the worst game ever at the moment, but it is one of the worst attempts to grab at someone else’s money that isn't even flowing that much for Blizzard anymore. They sacrificed a potentially decent single player game for a multiplayer experience that won't even be fully available to everyone if they don't buy a PHYSICAL special edition. Yes, EA actually has a special edition only store, among various tiered in-game stores for useless trinkets paid for with possibly real money, which only unlocks if you got this version in a brick and mortar store instead of Origin.

Old Republic is nothing more than a shell game.

SWTOR Beta: Black Talon Flash …

I don't know why they're bitching about the healer, she's the competent one.

>http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=731843
>"Color Match had a subtle but ultimately perverse effect: from the moment it was turned on, the player would perceive far less diversity in their loot. In some cases, to be honest, there are only so many differences we can create between two pairs of boots apart from their color scheme. Take away their color differences - thanks to the Color Match system - and you are left with a game that feels a bit less rewarding; where, sometimes, putting on your exciting new gear barely changes the appearance of the character."

Bioware, did you just seriously admit that you removed the color matching feature because without the different colors to differentiate armor pieces, people would realize that you just pulled a WoW and reskinned most of your armor pieces?

Game of the year right here folks.

>>141118
Isn't it magical? You can literally feel the effort Bioware put into these designs!

Bro Team Pill: The Old Republic

>>141142
Who is this ass?

>>141143
I don't know, but I'm laughing.

>>141146
shows why Jumping has never been implemented in a Bioware game which I find funny.

Oh look more images.

Only three more days until release. I can't wait for the angst coming from people who haven't had the sense to drop their preorders.

>>141182

I was surprised how fun that was, a friend got me into the beta last month and a few folks threw a 'party' for it.

They actually pretty much achieved what they set out to do with that game, though I do wish they'd added a few more 'hey my bros can speak up in this shared mish' stuff for more of the regular missions. But they did it for 'enough' of them.

>>141199
If Kosh likes it, it's good enough for me.

► The Old Republic - Jedi Gu…

>The lightsaber is treated more like a whifflebat than anything else

THANK YOU. Too many Star Wars titles suffer from this.

>>141479
Since when did TB start liking Old Republic? Did he sell out?

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1043125-Exploiting-already
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=83305
Oh boy, glitches have already been found to increase your character up to level 50.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=12777
>Bioware complaint thread on the TOR forums
>121 pages
Christ that's a lot of buyer's remorse.

>>141495
It's not just one big hate-fest though. Actually it's more like any other heated discussion on the internet. There's people on both sides trying to make mature, rational arguments; there's people blindly spouting off based on their emotions with no logical backing; and there's people just dancing around with their pants on their head because the whole situation just seems absurd, so why not add to it?

http://www.tippingforties.com/videos.aspx?key=618

For those that want to hear Alex complain about it.

>>141513
Pfft Cultural clothes customization (any customization at all) like anyone would want that.

>>141539
Yeah, its not like we could play DCU online for free on your Playstaion right now.
(if you have the space... 25gigs! to spare)
Also I got a week of WoW for free as a try to get me back in the game. HA!
Im so happy I skiped the beta on this.

>>141539
OH addendum, maybe that kinda Customization can only occur with you are a premium physical copy member.

► The Old Republic - TORk - …

Might want to grab a snack for this one, it's rather long.

>>141513

It's not perfect, but I balked at some often posted picture where someone seemed to suggest each class should be rigidly restricted to a single race. You folks who enjoy more beastial and out there races ought to realize that you don't have any more of a monopoly on preference or authority than those who prefer more humanoid ones. Even though I usually exclusively play as humans right now my characters are entirely Zabrak or Sith Pureblood. And at least for me I would prefer those races to being required to play a Rhodian or something.

But a guildmate of mine takes that position that prefers the more alien appearance in Star Wars to the more humanoid appearance in Star Trek. Certainly his right but the ideal would be a balance between the two rather than all or nothing either way. We didn't need to have a separate cyborg race, or to have both the green Miralirians and the blind force humans.

You know what Blizzard did when this happened? Instead of banning players, they fixed their damn game.

>>142872
wait, wait, did they get banned for going somewhere the game let them? as in not even exploiting, just walked right the fuck on in

>>142878
Apparently the guy was abusing some kind of glitch for infinite money. But instead of fixing it they simply ban people.

Not even FFXIV did that with their exploiters.

Not that that would be an even slightly reasonable thing to do it their situation.

>>142872
I've seen much worse.

>>142872
And there wasn't a high level defense to deter them from going on a deep delve? Don't want a low rank to infiltrate then you put a bruiser that will crush him like a grape...course then that would be unfair to those that want to play just for the story....ugggh *headdesk*

>>142938
Well this is star wars and we use fake swear words in this farking universe...ppppprtt.

They just keep on coming.

>>142938
>>142952
I like the boot lickers who respond positively to Bioware's shit, like it's going to get them admin powers or something. I mean, it might, if that process is as poorly run as the rest of the game, but it's just pathetic otherwise.

>>142544
>You folks who enjoy more beastial and out there races ought to realize that you don't have any more of a monopoly on preference or authority than those who prefer more humanoid ones.

The fuck are you on about? First of all, the joke being made is how the largely humanoid races look nearly practically identical from the neck down. Second, the Star Wars universe is FULL of non-humanoid races, so it's not at all unreasonable to wonder why they didn't include a few of those in the game. Third, no one is trying to tout non-humanoid superiority.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=398455749&forumid=234

>>143015

>>143015
Oh well fuck you too game.

>>143015

>>143018

Also anyone else find that to be a hilarious contrast to their banhammering

Let's Play: SWTOR Mako Romance

This is what writing from a studio "known for their writing" looks like.

>>143015
I don't get it?

>>143048

Why is it just now that people think these Bioware games are uncomfortably heavy-handed and silly?

>>143182
Because its more exposed when there isn't an overall plot, engaging gameplay or detailed world to enjoy.

>>143182
What the other guy said: Bioware romances, barring Baldur's Gate 2, have always been terrible, but until Mass Effect 1 there was always something else going for it. Then they switched to a generic space shooter series (cept Mordin, he's cool), raping KOTOR with an MMO, and DARKER, SEXIER, BETTER.