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97294 No. 97294
Old one is past the bump limit >>92447
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>> No. 98555
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98555
http://www.animefushigi.com/anime/avatar-the-legend-of-korra

>Summary:
>“Some unknown american made trash no info available.”
>> No. 98557
>>98555

God...damn...weeaboos...

>>98552

I...am not sure that's a statement that works out...Reasonably sure..

In any case, it's really just a Western Culture kind of deal, especially for the US (this is the country that had the Trayvon Martin killing recently, after all.) It's kind of a question of all sorts of privilege/majority power dynamics and all kinds of stuff, not to mention that light skin was a sign of beauty in a whole ton of cultures (including Asian countries like Japan and China, dark skin means you work in the fields and stuff, so it's a sign of being lower class) so dangerous as fuck skin-lightening creams sell like hot-cakes all over the world (even in Africa.)

As for the Tibet-China comment, yeah, but Aang does have a Chinese connection thanks to his basis as a Shaolin Monk (who, oddly enough, were also victims of oppression from the rest of China.) Barring obvious fuck-ups in casting like Memoirs of a Geisha, Americans can usually suspend disbelief just a tad, in particular with something that's less historically confined like Avatar. Hell, my favorite Aang hopeful was a Filipino kid named Perris Aquino. Aside from his acting (which probablly would have been helped by the acting lessons given to Noah "Who Gives a Shit?" Ringer instead) I thought the kid was perfect. Perfect face, perfect attitude. He was a bit darker-skinned than Aang was, but fuck it. That shit is small potatoes. This kid could use a staff and perform Wushu like nobody else I'd seen in the tryouts. Even Sifu Kisu tracked the kid down after he watched his videos.

But of course...well, we know how it went.
>> No. 98560
>>98557
>>Shaolin Monk
I'm pretty sure the Air Nomads were based on the Tibetan Buddhist monks. After all, both Gyatso and Tenzin are named after the current Dalai Lama.
>> No. 98561
It's always important to remember that nothing in Avatar has a 1:1 relationship with its Earth counterpart, and is going to have elements of other things in it. Air Nomads are almost certainly both Shaolin and Tibetan monks, as well as any number of other things, the same way the Water Tribe is not actually eskimo or inuit, and the Fire Nation has elements of both Chinese and Japanese imperialism.
>> No. 98562
>>98560

It's kind of a mix between the two, the little monk in this video is partly what inspired Aang's creation

Shaolin Wheel of Life Part 2 …youtube thumb
>> No. 98565
I submit that the Air Nomads are a mix-up of Tibetan and Chinese, but on the surface - they'll be seen more as based on Tibetan monks than Chinese monks cause of their clothes, their names, their philosophy.

Besides, it's the Earth Kingdom which is clearly the mainland China equivalent.

Now, I understand that it seems stupid to be stressed out over, for example, Chinese actors playing Japanese characters. They're both Asians, so what's the big deal? Even I think it's okay (most of the time).

But. Chinese occupation of Tibet is still an ongoing issue. The Dalai Lama (the main inspiration for the Avatar) is in exile.

Anyway, I'm Chinese, so even I'm... well, Tibet would probably grow faster (economy-wise) as part of China than on their own. I just felt I had to mention (above) to people who are concerned with racebending and yet somehow do not know about Tibet's crisis.
>> No. 98566
>>98565
Oh, it can be a problem all right. When the film version of the book 'Memoirs of a Geisha' came out most of the cast of geishas were played by Chinese actresses. This was seen as an insult by the Chinese since it was too much of a reminder of the "comfort women" from China who were forced by the Japanese army to "service" the soldiers.
It also awkwardly implies that all Asians look alike, which they don't.
>> No. 98570
>>98565
The way I see it, a good parallel would be a nonwhite director casting a Brit to play Joan of Arc in a Hundred Years' War movie, or a Frenchman as Horatio Nelson in a film about Trafalgar. I personally can't tell the difference between most white Europeans by looking, but I'd imagine there would be a lot of potential for offense there.
>> No. 98571
>>98566

Och. That is Unfortunate Implications, all right, even though I do think whoever picked Zhang Ziyi for the main role was quite simply blown away by her.

About Asians looking alike - Asians have (a lot of) trouble telling each other apart. Anyway, white people can't tell each other apart most of the time either. So yeah - it irks me when fuss is made over mistaken nationality.

By and far, we rely on languages, accents, names, and these only works if we are actually familiar with them.

I can't tell apart Chinese, Japanese and Koreans by appearances, but I can once I know their names or if I hear them talk. However, Malaysians, Thai and Indonesians will stump me handily.

British, French, German - gotta hear them talk first. Same with Italian and Spaniards. But heaven help me if I have to figure out the Nordic countries or tell apart Portuguese from Spanish.

As for North Americans, I just stereotype the nice ones as Canadians and the mean ones as Americans. (Sorry, but I refuse to change this habit.)
>> No. 98572
>>98570
German Churchill.

Ve schall vight zem on zee beaches.
>> No. 98575
>>98570

Britain and France are both currently first world countries. Not familiar with Trafalgar, but the 100-years war was a long long time ago.

People's Republic of China and Tibet are not on similar political power or socio-economic standings. Guess who is the underdog, like we are talking industrial vs agricultural.

It's funny when the British and French heckle each other. I can also see the funny when China and India insult each other.

But not with China and Tibet. It's an ongoing assimilation.
>> No. 98644
>>98570
Whoops, just realized I quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote the one right above me, about Memoirs of a Geisha.
>> No. 98715
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98715
http://amarican.tumblr.com/post/20079485271/setosnicegirl-damnlayoffthebleach

Fucking tumblr. Passive aggressive assholes.
>> No. 98716
>>98715
Don't worry, that has been taken care of as I pointed out on >>98679
>> No. 98717
>>98716

Read the link. They recolored an artist's pic without their permission and reposted it behind their back.
>> No. 98732
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98732
>>98717
Say what?!
Shit! Those are quite new levels of douchebagness.

Also:
>One day later
>Check Andrei's tumblr
>People are still complaining about it and disregarding Andrei's explanation or trying to counter it.
http://pornjunkyard.tumblr.com/post/20056539238/dumonchelledraws-pornjunkyard

GODDFUCKING DAMMIT TUMBLR
>> No. 98733
>>98732
>your examples aren't EXACTLY like that fanart therefore invalid

Well no shit. He just had one light source, that fanart had a giant ass light source coming out of both her hands. Fuck.

>>98715
Wow.
>> No. 98736
>>98732

One of the people in that reblog chain is Riley of the Arkh project aka smallblackangel and gisei_nashi_ni (I hope I got that right). Basically disregard out of hand.
>> No. 98738
>>98736

>-Riley of the Arkh project aka smallblackangel and gisei_nashi_ni-

How did I fucking know?
>> No. 98739
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>>98715
http://damnlayoffthebleach.tumblr.com/post/20079113321
Response.

BOOM
>> No. 98741
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98741
>>98739
Got it. Proper lighting, perhaps even slightly exaggerated lighting == whitewashing & racism.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. ha. ha. ha ha ha haaaaaaaa
>> No. 98742
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98742
>>98739

>BOOM

Pic related.

Andrey is defending himself well enough. Admirably so, even. Though it seems he's been dealing with these arguments for a while, now.
>> No. 98745
>>98741
It's really a matter of NOT being an artist and not understanding the first thing about art in general. I mean, if the lack of understanding of lighting didn't give it away, the total lack of respect for artistic property should.

BOOM
>> No. 98748
>>98739
So these people are basically the PETA of the social justice crowd?
>> No. 98751
>>98748

...that has to be the single best analogy I've heard for this. Like...it's perfect.

BOOM.
>> No. 98752
>>98739
A particular hideousness of that response is not just the "herp derp lighting=racism, photons are bigots" opinion, but the attitude that "it doesn't matter what I do because i have labeled you as a racist and that is automatically worse." It's an attitude that prevents self-criticism and restraint because of the perceived righteousness of "the cause."
>> No. 98754
I think it's more accurate to call them the WWE of social justice activism. Loud, over-the-top, and completely fake.
>> No. 98758
>>98754
Yup.

PETA actually commits acts of terrorism. I don't think tumblr has reached that point just yet. Much harder than an angry rant and reblogging.
>> No. 98765
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98765
>>98754

>WWE
>social justice activism

I think WWE has these people beat in their own field with the anti-bullying campaign they launched last year. JOKES ON THEM HAW HAW!
>> No. 98766
>>98758
Comparing them with PETA is just giving too much credit to them.
>> No. 98769
>>98766
More so due to intent and execution rather than influence. In other words, just like PETA, these people actually do more harm then good to the cause they're trying to support.
>> No. 98790
Bro and two cousins asked to watch the premiere, and of course - I had to re-watch with them. (They LOVE it!)

Unfortunately, this time around, I was noticing when Korra's skin color lightened. Really wish there was a memory eraser to erase the stupid I come across on the internet.
>> No. 98792
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98792
Enough with this white-washing bastard.
>> No. 98793
http://damnlayoffthebleach.tumblr.com/post/20115381855
Getting even dumber.
>> No. 98794
>>98793

This has gone past sad and into depressing.

Was the Avatar fandom like this during the original series, or was that era mostly just about the shipping wars? I only got into the show after the finale, when the cannons had fallen silent.
>> No. 98795
>>98793
I'm sensing that this individual is starting to twig that they're losing the argument, because they're becoming dangerously unhinged...
>> No. 98797
>>98794
I think it was just the shipping originally, but now the fandom has grown so large and diseased its everything.
>> No. 98800
>>98797

Ugh. Even the shipping war was not funny a lot of times.
>> No. 98803
>>98794

There wasn't much of this particular breed of stupid, but this is honestly pretty low on the Stulid Sht Avatar Fans Say totem pole.
>> No. 98804
>>98794

There wasn't much of this particular breed of stupid, but this is honestly pretty low on the Stulid Sht Avatar Fans Say totem pole.
>> No. 98813
>>98794
The whole SOCIAL JUSTICE RAGE didn't really come around until tumblr got popular, so no.
>> No. 98816
http://hotaruarc.tumblr.com/post/20109278157/amarican-setosnicegirl
Oh poor girl. :c

>>98813
Huh?
I though the whole Social Justice came from LJ and they just recently move to tumblr, since LJ itself is slowly dying and/or getting filled with russians. And tumblr's increasing popularity.
>> No. 98818
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98818
Well, this seems to have less to do with actual Avatar fans and more with clueless social justice crusaders. I don't think these people even watch the show.
>> No. 98822
Dear Tumblr,

Stop making Social Justice look bad. Seriously, I'm getting second-hand embarrassment right here when people thing I'm on your side for all this.
>> No. 98824
>>98816

>girl

Sage for double-post but uh...I think the artist is a guy.
>> No. 98826
Three separate shitstorms relating to Korra's brownness before the show has even officially aired on TV

It's gonna be a long season
>> No. 98838
The problem with tumblr social justice is that airing social justice concerns requires a platform where you can have a fucking conversation. Tumblr isn't it. It's fucking impossible to have a meaningful conversation on Tumblr just because of the stupid-ass broken way it's set up.

What it IS conducive to, though, is stupid bomb-tossers like these idiots. Post/Reblog someone else's stuff, with your own snarky commentary attached. Even if someone responds pointing out that you're completely wrong, hey, hardly anybody's going to see it in its own reblog! It's a nearly perfect platform for jerking off over how ~righteous~ you are without having to take responsibility for not being a fucking idiot.
>> No. 98839
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98839
>>98838

All of this right here. Tumblr is a fucking awful medium for discussion, at least LJ has nested comment reply threads that made conversations a breeze to follow. Even fucking DeviantArt is more conducive to conversations and their comment system is clownshoes in comparison.
>> No. 98861
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98861
>>98838
>>98839
Agreed. Tumblr isn't really a proper mediun for discussions like LJ, a forum or a blog.

>>98824
Yeah, I noticed it after he posted this pic on his tumblr.
That chibi version of himself fooled me for a moment. My bad.
>> No. 98870
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>>98822
>Dear Tumblr,

>Stop making Social Justice look bad. Seriously, I'm getting second-hand embarrassment right here when people thing I'm on your side for all this.

This times a million. They're almost as bad if not worse than the Zutards at this point.
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