>>98152
You seem them tear up the road while pursuing her. And their grappling does damage the buildings if you actually look.

They are both in the right only they need to step aside and or assist her. Not try to stop her for doing their same job with likely better training then them. Or do you think they can honestly solve every incident cleanly? Korra was nowhere near as destructive as she could have been.

And I always stated that Toph/Zuko may or may not be around. Just that it seemed to be possible from everything we know. Katara outliving her seems odd, and we know some of them are still around.

>>Korra was nowhere near as destructive as she could have been.
Indeed, if she randomly went into the avatar state she could destroy the whole city, but that has no bearing on the fact she was reckless and caused alot of destruction in catching those three punks.

>>98153
You mean how the metalbenders saw the future when they tried grabbing her off her mount not aware they could kill her or the damage the animal could do without it's master?

You mean that kind seeing the future? Hm?

People with proper authority will do what they deem fit to solve a situation. It's that simple. She has the authority to stop criminals.

>>98152

Also, gonna call bullshit on Korra being more trained than Aang. She's older and physically stronger, but Aang mastered the Avatar State. Aang, by the time he was 13, was a fully realized Avatar, master of all four elements, and an Air Master, meaning a monk who understands the sanctity of life and what it means to defend it. Korra's only mastered the physical side of three bending styles three or four years after Aang understood all of it at her age.

>>98157
She's been groomed to be the Avatar.

You are correct that she likely does not have a lot of Avatar state training but...the Avatar is about more than just the Avatar state.

She has more training for her stage debut than Aang ever did. He was thrust into saving the world while only knowing Airbending. He learned the rest as he went along. She has years more of training than he did when he started.

Be funny if we find out that Korra's Firebending teacher was actually none other than a (reformed?) Azula.

>>98161
I'd really like to see something like that myself. It would not only bring back a beloved character but it would partially of not completely answer whether or not the same souls train the Avatar each incarnation.

Wouldn't it be the guy in firenation garb who was standing with the white lotus members and Katara while she was taking the test match against the firebenders in the first episode is the most likely to be her firebending teacher?
It's hardly proof that he is but its certainly a possibility.

>>98165
Yep, I would think so as well but then again he doesn't seem to say anything at all which doesn't feel right. And Katara being there makes sense as it is her home. Someone could have completed her training and then left to return home as they see fit. It was up to Katara's judgment as to whether or not she passed her Firebending test.

I'd REALLY enjoy a solid answer. So very, VERY much.

>>98168
Rewatched the scene and he does speak once. And as elderly as he seems that would rule out incarnation. But then again her real master could have left to return home as it isn't up to them but the White Lotus and team as to whether or not she passes her test.

If it was indeed Zuko I don't think he could stick around with being Fire Lord and all. Or he could have died long before this and it's someone else. I think just asking the creators would be much faster at this point.

>>98156

That was one single Metalbender cop trying to capture Korra after she did tons of damage and tried to run away, (which caused more damage) instead of accompanying them to the station and explaining. Besides that, they apprehended Naga pretty easily, even with Korra riding her, and covering for them were several other police right behind the guy who got ice-walled.

Vigilantism is illegal, and the Avatar is not above the law. If she's deemed not guilty or given a pardon, that's different. In any case, Korra was the one who did way more damage to the streets by Earthbending them, raised a huge wall of ice over a bridge, broke the walls (walls!) of storefronts, and knocked shit everywhere.

>>98158

Except that Aang was the youngest Air Master in the Air Nomad's recorded history, and he managed to pick up the rest of the elements by the time he was 13. Aang mastered the Elements as well as the spirituality behind being the Avatar before Korra did and that means he was a better, more complete Avatar at a younger age than Korra. Is Korra a better bender than Aang? Perhaps, though she hasn't learned what he has, just yet.

>>98162

I would say that the several old masters of the White Lotus being the ones overseeing her training in Firebending already answered that. Unless Korra's Earthbending teacher was Toph's reincarnation, in which case I would imagine he/she would be around Korra's age, I doubt her Earthbending training went any differently. Besides that, Tenzin is the one teaching her Airbending, so he would have to be the reincarnation of Gyatso. Something really odd, unless Tenzin has two or three past lives to make up for the ~120-140 years between Gyatso's death and Tenzin's birth.

>>98171
>instead of accompanying them to the station and explaining
That was possible until they said she was under arrest unduly and assaulted her. If they had merely requested she come with them it would have been fine, they screwed up.

>Vigilantism is illegal
The Avatar is not a vigilante. Please think for a moment, I don't think you realize that law is a system created by human beings. You are adhering to a system and saying that the spirits responsible for this very world and have deemed their own system should step aside and do what humans say? What? You really aren't thinking at all. It's like saying your local police force should be trying really hard to arrest the FBI. Shit, who do those guys think they are? Going around and stopping criminals! That's OUR JOB! THOSE FUCKING VIGILANTES!

>Except that Aang was the youngest Air Master in the Air Nomad's recorded history, and he managed to pick up the rest of the elements by the time he was 13
Because he was forced to. They went with the traditional Avatar training for Korra minus her actually going anywhere. Seeing as she dons traditional Air Nomad garb it's likely she trained culturally in the other nations as well. I'd also like to point out that

>so he would have to be the reincarnation of Gyatso. Something really odd
It's not at all. Not to mention they both draw their names from one real actual human being. The years between when one life and the next mean absolutely nothing. Who's to even say you reincarnate instantly somewhere else as soon as you die and you don't...I dunno...do spirit stuff for a while before coming back occasionally? That's just more stuff we don't know about. But you answered itself that he may have had several lives in the gap too.

>>98172
>I'd also like to point out that
Toph was also a master and maybe even younger than Aang.

Just of worthy note since Toph is awesome.

Incredible how one stupid person can ruin the potential for any actual discussion.

The fact that Korra wrecked a whole street, two privately owned shops AND caused at least two traffic accidents before she even fought with Triad is INDISPUTABLE. Korra caused undue damage and injury. THAT IS INDISPUTABLE. If you think Korra shouldn't be held accountable fpr any of that or that people can't be angry about the mess she caused then you are an idiot.

>>98172

>That was possible until they said she was under arrest unduly and assaulted her. If they had merely requested she come with them it would have been fine, they screwed up.

She smashed a bunch of shit up.

>The Avatar is not a vigilante. Please think for a moment, I don't think you realize that law is a system created by human beings. You are adhering to a system and saying that the spirits responsible for this very world and have deemed their own system should step aside and do what humans say? What? You really aren't thinking at all. It's like saying your local police force should be trying really hard to arrest the FBI. Shit, who do those guys think they are? Going around and stopping criminals! That's OUR JOB! THOSE FUCKING VIGILANTES!

It worked for Aang. He didn't say "I'm not guilty because I'm the Avatar" to Chin Village, and that was with a crooked system. He listened to the Earth King when he asked Aang to stand down after the Gaang's attack on the palace, and again, he isn't just arresting Zuko or throwing out the people of Yu Dao. Comparing two law enforcement agencies working under the same government with separate and distinct jurisdictions is apples and oranges to a law enforcement group dealing with four people who caused a ruckus, one of whom happened to be the Kung-Fu-Action-Dalai-Lama. If Aang wrecked shit somewhere, even as accidental collateral, he's expected to address it, and he usually does.

>It's not at all. Not to mention they both draw their names from one real actual human being. The years between when one life and the next mean absolutely nothing. Who's to even say you reincarnate instantly somewhere else as soon as you die and you don't...I dunno...do spirit stuff for a while before coming back occasionally? That's just more stuff we don't know about. But you answered itself that he may have had several lives in the gap too.

Word of God says the Avatar cycle only takes about a week or two to reincarnate to the next one. If there's reincarnation among the normal populace (I assume there is) it's likely the same. If he's the reincarnation of Gyatso, having a few life-times in between would make more sense, but I doubt Toph and Zuko died so much earlier than Aang did to the point that Korra's bending-masters were of sufficient age and experience to be worthy of teaching the Avatar, above even the master benders within the White Lotus.

>Seeing as she dons traditional Air Nomad garb it's likely she trained culturally in the other nations as well. I'd also like to point out that Toph was also a master and maybe even younger than Aang.

She was Aang's age and master of one, single element, just like Aang was when we were introduced. They're both equally proficient at their native elements. Also, that's likely just Tenzin being a traditionalist. Korra wasn't in traditional Fire Nation garb during her test, like Roku was when he learned Firebending himself, she was in modern training gear.

>>98174
I like how you ignore any actual things someone puts forth and instead resort to calling them stupid because they disagree with you. You sure are educated!

You're a colossal idiot of untold levels not realizing that she could actually repair much of that damage aside from the glass and the sheer fact she is not responsible for everything that occurs due to the fact it wouldn't have occurred to begin with had there been no criminals. Stopping a villain is not some magical thing where nothing gets damaged 100% of the time if you are a cop. That is beyond fantasy.

Keep being retarded and ignoring the fact that damage can occur no matter who you are.

>>98175
>She smashed a bunch of shit up.
And so did the metalbenders. Not as much, but shit is going to get smashed. This is unavoidable. She was not nearly as destructive as she could have been in her actions, you should be aware of this.

>>98175
Aang approached Chin diplomatically and still paid for it. You do realize they were possibly going to kill him? Do you really think he would have still put up with that? And guess what happens...they whined to the Avatar when things got rough for them and begged for help...it was the only reason they let him off. There's a chance I'll admit that if she did say she was the Avatar to the cops they wouldn't have done a thing to her. Perhaps that was her way of not abusing her status and trying to be what she saw as reasonable.

>were of sufficient age and experience to be worthy of teaching the Avatar
Minimum is the age of 12. That's a lot of wriggle room to work with. Just stating the facts.

>She was Aang's age and master of one, single element, just like Aang was when we were introduced. They're both equally proficient at their native elements. Also, that's likely just Tenzin being a traditionalist. Korra wasn't in traditional Fire Nation garb during her test, like Roku was when he learned Firebending himself, she was in modern training gear.

Well I don't why it matters she was the master of one, she never had the capacity to learn more. Her garb looks very fire-nationy in her test in fact she's wearing what her opponents are wearing. I believe you are mistaking it for the Pro-bending gear, they are not the same attire.

>>98176
So Korra can fix all those grandfather clocks she smashed when she tossed that Triad guy into the shop? She can fix all those Satomobiles she wrecked? I guess she can just waterbend and heal all those people in those car accidents, right? Unless they died or something.

If you can't understand that Korra needs to be held accountable for wrecking shit like that, then there's no point in posting anymore. You'll just never get it.

>>98178
I guess you don't realize that collateral damage and accidents occur. And that no, you don't always get held responsible for it when you are doing your job.

Police officers have killed innocent people before and then gone back to work. Yep.

And the damages are all going to come out of the pocket of the criminals anyway, that's what happens in a court of law when police accrue damage to the environment. Or the goverment pays for it.

Korra is not a vigilante, stop treating her like one you idiot. But if you STILL don't understand that this stuff happens then there's no point in explaining it to you again and again...you're simply too dimwitted to comprehend it.

is someone seriously trying to argue that korra shouldn't have been held responsible for the damage she caused? seriously?

>>98181
You mean like how cops are held accountable whenever they kill someone that's innocent? Oh sure, when there's extreme negligence on their part they pay the price...but occasionally they go back to their jobs...

But to say she really did that much damage? Really? You do realize just how much worse that could have gone, right? Um, you do realize entire towns were destroyed in battles in the previous series, right? And how restrained she was in her actions actually compared to what you know she is capable of?

Force is required to stop people. Damages occur. Metalbenders had NO PROBLEMS with killing her by snapping her neck by trying to grab her head and yank her off her mount which could have gone on to do God knows what without it's master (no different than pulling a rider out of a vehicle and making it crash which is what you are bitching about to begin with) but that's fine? It's fine because metalbender cops are doing it? But the Avatar who likely has more training then these cops do can't?

Really? Are you stupid?

>>98180

>Police officers have killed innocent people before and then gone back to work. Yep.

Yep indeedy! It's as if the FACT of the case equates to the MORALITY! Meaning: Because authorities have caused collateral damage, they are not accountable!

Oh my God, lern2law. And that FBI example was pretty poor. If a small-time force found corruption within the FBI, it is THEIR responsibility to do something about it. One way is to submit evidence towards a Congressional investigation. In any case, the "higher" status of the FBI doesn't make them immune to being investigated. Especially not by some small-town cops.

>>98183
Dude, the fact that cops have killed people before and gone back to their jobs shows that they are not always held accountable.

Sure, I'm sure some deaths were entirely accidental and held no blame on the officer. But there are deaths where the officer was to blame but has not been removed from the force because "he was simply doing his job, you don't understand how it is to be a cop" and that's how it goes.

Well buddy, you simply don't understand what it is to be the Avatar. She was simply doing her job.

>>98176

"If there had been no criminals?"
Sorry...are you blaming the Metalbending police for the Triad even existing? Cops exist because of crime, not the other way around.

>>98177

The Metalbenders weren't responsible for nearly the same things Korra was and if they are, they have somebody to answer to. If not the proper authorities of the city, who does Korra answer to?

Yes, Chin Village was gonna kill Aang and he wouldn't have put up with it had it come to it, but he was willing to stand trial and allow them their grievances, even before circumstances let him "serve his sentence."

Also, yes, the pro-bending gear is also red, but besides the gear being similar, we don't see Korra in traditional Fire Nation clothes, nor any of the training gear Sokka had on. I therefore am making the assumption that it's modern training gear.

>child korra bending all elements with little to no training

um.. I guess Aang just sucks?

>>98181

Yeah, cuz she's the goddamn Avatar and her jurisdiction is her boot up your ass.

This thread is just getting shitted up by one person without any concept of morality or societal norms.

Just move on, people.

>>98185
Er, the incident with the criminals would not have occurred if they hadn't been there. That was the point I was making. Trying to place blame on people in stopping said criminals for what happens when you stop them is ridiculous. Would you rather let criminals run rampant because of what MAY happen when trying to stop them?

>The Metalbenders weren't responsible for nearly the same things Korra was and if they are, they have somebody to answer to. If not the proper authorities of the city, who does Korra answer to?
The Avatar answers to the people just like any law enforcement does. But they obviously have more say than the people do at times. Korra like every Avatar before her is obviously capable of reigning herself in when it's necessary. She deemed her actions as appropriate for the situation, what YOU say or how YOU feel about it is irrelevant. That's the truth, really. Officials will do as they like.

I don't know about you, but that shopkeeper isn't going to be maimed and his life placed in further jeopardy...nor will they potentially kill any other people that don't go along with their extortion racket and the price we payed was a smashed up windows and some broken appliances.

>I therefore am making the assumption that it's modern training gear.
For the Fire Nation. The people training her were wearing the same things and they have a Fire Nation motif. Doesn't seem hard to put together. Though I agree it isn't 100% it's the most likely thing considering we know it's part of the Avatar's training traditionally.

>>98188
Actually it's your attempt at shoving morality and societal norms in others faces which is blinding you from seeing that was EXACTLY what went down.

The AVATAR which stands for morality and societal norms upheld them and stopped criminals.

Stop being a fucking idiot and acting like someone that has just as much (far more really) authority as a cop can't act like a cop.

Destruction occasionally happens when stopping the bad guys. Please accept this fact you ignorant retard.

>>98187
This is seriously everything summed up right here. This is it. She can do what she deems necessary to solve a situation. It involved crashing that car.

But you know what? It worked! Golly gee! The Avatar saved the day! DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING

Maybe you should let the Avatar you know, Avatar it up and not trying to treat her like Bob from down the street that makes chili? Because she's not Bon from down the street that makes chili. SHE'S THE AVATAR

You people should go rant on /co/ on how Superman shouldn't be allowed to do what he does either, yeah. He's just a big old vigilante. Cops need to go arrest him already!

>>98190
>True troll mode activated.

>>98193
>I don't like being shown that I'm wrong so I'm going to call that person a troll

...really? Are you twelve? Once again, go complain about Superman. You know he isn't held accountable yet he destroys entire buildings occasionally and beats bad guys in the face with cars, right? That wasn't just any car, that car belonged to somebody. Do you think Superman pays for those damages? Really?

Allright, enough of this. If this is gonna keep going I want shit like personal attacks and associated dumbfuckery to stay out of it. There isn't enough alcohol in the world to make this argument sound any more pointless. We'll know more of the capabilities and competence of the police in the episodes to come, but until then, it's a hamfisted argument over authority figures and whether or not Korra acted appropriately (given that she's established as a hothead who doesn't think things through, the opposite of Aang, I'm gonna assume she could have handled it better, just sayin'.)

I don't ban because of opinions, but I'll draw the line at people shitting on each other over a particular one.

>>98195
Oh, I think it's obvious as to where this conversation has gone now. It's very clear. There's only one direction it could have ever taken us.

>>98195
>Constant bickering
>Sharkman Jhones

Oh god it's like I'm in one of the MLP generals on +/co/

>>98204

Aw come on, man, I ain't even the one with the unpopular opinion this time. Why you gotta bust my balls?

>>98190
>Avatar stands for societal norms
You don't understand how society works. Like if you're autistic and you just can't understand it, that's fine. But calm your tits because you don't know what you are talking about.

Pic related.

Remember, kids: Just because it happened doesn't make it right!

>>98207

Even though I agree that the Avatar doesn't automatically stand for societal norms, seriously, we shouldn't be having this kind of cockfighting over something so simple, we're better off if we drop it.

Wow. I cant believe this argument went on for this long.
Let me put in my two cents.

Definition from wikipedia: vigilante is a private individual who legally or illegally punishes an alleged lawbreaker

Technically, Korra is a vigilante, or was acting like one for that one instance. She's definitely not a bad person, and I dont think her actions are a bad thing. However, the creators of the show obviously intended to showcase her as a good hearted, but impulsive and destructive person. It was obvious her actions were dangerous to those around her, though with good intention. Being the avatar does not give her a free ticket to be a walking hazard.
Was Lin being too tough on her? Probably/Possibly
Are korras dangerous actions justifiable just because shes the avatar? no. That goes with the police too though. Theres wrong on both sides here people, and I believe thats what Bryke wanted the audience to see. Korra's still young, so the point of showcasing her flaws early on is so she can grow as the show progresses.

Uh, guys - let's try to remember that this is an action-adventure story.

Why are there a lot of explosions in Hollywood action movies? Cause it's more entertaining. I was rewatching Cowboy Bebop, and yup - a lot of stuff gets blown up and destroyed. Try to remember what happens in American superhero shows - property damage galore.

Even in shows wherein the creators are mindful of (real) property damage and civilian injuries (Clamp's X, Persona 4, etc.), we still get to see a lot of stuff get destroyed.

>KORRA IS ENTIRELY BLAMELESS AND A SHINING PARAGON OF DIVINE MORAL VIRTUE! CHIEF BEI FONG IS JUST A BITCH AND COPS ARE EVIL AND CAN KILL PEOPLE AND GET AWAY WITH IT!

Bitch, do you even hear yourself? Your troll-fu is weak and your logic... well, you have none. Neither side is completely blameless nor completely in the wrong. And both the damage Korra AND the Metalbender cops caused will be used to fuel the anti-bending movement.

>>98204
Mindwipe, I normally agree with what you say, but STFU

>>98242
>Clamp's X, Persona 4

Oh, it's you.

GTFO weeaboo troll

>>98273

Seriously, do Asians count as weabos? You can ask a mod where my IP address originates and if I'm using a proxy.

Maybe I should also start listing the Western Animation shows I watch but I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a Western wannabe.

:O lmfao wtf is this board becoming 4chan now?

>>98273

He's on the level, and has been posting in this thread while not being shit-headed.

Also, X was a perfect example since they go out of their way to cast magic barriers to let them fight in ghost-cities...not too sure how Persona 4 fits that, though, I don't remember a whole lot of damage to the city during the game. Maybe the anime. If he was the weeaboo troll, he'd have said something about censorship or Naruto being better (I actually delete-banned one of those recently.)

>>98283

Persona 4 - fighting takes place in the tv world. Basically, we still get a lot of BIG explosions without real life consequences.

Shana series also is conscious of property damage, etc. though people still die since they are slowly removed from ever existing at all.

Anyway, I still see such as hand-waving property damages; however, at least they sort of give explanation for why their city, town, village isn't in ruins.

Also will include Power Puff Girls, which had an episode poking fun about this. Somehow Townsville can reconstruct itself overnight, but when the girls tried crime-fighting in the city, they got slapped by a humongous repair bill.

Pixar's The Incredibles, of course, made this a major plot point, and I have to say I have no problems with Mythbusters causing unnecessary explosions.

>CTRL + F "tl;dr"
>0 of 0
>+/4chan/, /4chan/ is disappoint

>>98312

It can stay disappoint.

THE FUCK. this fucking fandom, like seriously? are we actually pissing and moaning about lin VS korra?

FACTS:
1) Korra handled the situation irresponsibly, and should be held accountable for her actions, being the avatar does not exempt her from that.
2) Lin was a bitch to Korra because she wrecked stuff. We're just used to seeing everyone shit in their pants when they meet the avatar. So what if one person doesn't give a shit that this girl can bend all 4 elements? It doesn't mean that Lin doesn't respect Korra's destiny, she just reacted to Korra's actions without the unnecessary, and completely optional consideration for her status as avatar. If you destroy that much shops and property (especially for just 3 crooks), being the avatar doesn't mean diddly squat. It's irrelevant to the discussion. Avatar or not, you did all that damage when it was UNNECESSARY. Times have changed, and the those in power aren't abusing it, at least not to the extent the firelords did, and lin was completely justified at being pissed at the damage korra did.

all this stuff about korra being more important than lin because her destiny is to bring balance to the world? You can't put korra ahead of lin just because she was born the avatar. The spirit of the world chose her not because she was already nicely packaged as a perfect avatar, fully realized. Every avatar has to work towards being a good avatar capable of restoring/maintaining/keeping balance. So arguing that Korra is right because the world chose her, is unreasonable.