>>92448

The games have gotten progressively worse (at least in terms of story) since seven (with nine being the exception.) It's reached a nadir with thirteen by having a crap story combined with a story that makes no sense.

>>92388

Okay, back to this little bit of fail for a second...hey Iroh, does the phrase "pot calling the kettle black" sound familiar? Perhaps "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

Did this artist seriously forget that Iroh, whom she hijacked for this nonsense, is so short that Katara is just about his height?

>Then again, even if that happened, there will probably be other characters to ship.

The writers have confirmed there will be a love triangle. A real one, this time.

>>92453
It will be between Korra, Tenzin and Aang.

>>92453
I think they just said there's gonna be another romance, but I'm sure this time they'll give use an actual love triangle.
They're aware of their fandom now, maybe too much.

Ugh, this is the tumblr era, the wank will be massive.

>>92453

>The writers have confirmed there will be a love triangle. A real one, this time.

>The fan-wankery will have canon arguments from both sided this time.

May god have mercy on our souls.

>>92456
maybe there will be a deliberately ambiguous ending, pairing wise.

everyone wins!

>>92456

Fans are so crazy, just the opposite will happen. When the writers purposely try and set up a love triangle and shipping shenanigans, crazy fans will be disinterested and there will be very little wank.

>>92458
I hope so, either way i am staying so fucking far away from the fandom while this shows airs...

>>92458

Nah, more likely, they'll come up with their own crack pairing and shit it 'till the end of times.

Since this is a general thread, I'd like to express how much I fucking hate Azula, Sokka and Toph fans at /co/.

>Nah, more likely, they'll come up with their own crack pairing and shit it 'till the end of times.

Correct. The crazy shipping wars in this show will take place over Korra paired with Girl A., vs. Korra paired with Girl B. How much hidden lesbian subtext that the writers obviously stuck in there obviously can YOU spot?!

>>92457
No, in that scenario no one wins, because everyone will be arguing about it until the end of time.

>>92458
So it'll be an OT3 the whole fandom is more or less in agreement over? Like with Vyse/Fina/Aika in Skies of Arcadia or Emp/Ninjette/Thugboy in Empowered?

>>92469
only with more terrible M/M/F threesome art

>>92464

>and shit it 'till the end of times.

Olddly appropiate typo.

I find Zutards and anti-Zutards equally childish and unpleasant.

>>92475
I find wannabe-golden mean assholes dishonest and holier-than-thou

Though that tends to describe your posts anyway Broski.

This is a series with more mature themes so they should approach it maturely like the way HBO does.

Everyone has sex with everyone.

>>92476
Silly me. I figured a statement of a subjective opinion could be taken at face value and left the hell alone, but no, you had to insult me. Fine.
There is a point where supporting a ship(any ship, let alone a crack ship) becomes sad. The Zutarans(Zutarians?) passed this point years ago.
There is also a point where squawking about how fucking retarded, worthless, and delusional the filthy non-believers are gets really fucking old. That's where the "Anti" crowd comes in.
There, how was that? Was the explanation of my opinion satisfactory, or are you going to call me a stupid piece of shit for disagreeing with you?

Why does it have to be love triangle with two boys fighting over Korra? Can't it be Korra and some other girl fighting over a boy, or a girl and a boy fighting over Korra, or is that too "unconventional" for you gaywads?

>a girl and a boy fighting over Korra

If Mike and Bryan can get Nick to allow something like this I would be their personal servant for a month

>>92483
And in the end when the girl wins Korra can just say: "you do know I like... *guys*, right?" "No offense."

Also not much of a stretch considering two and a half seasons of Avatar are Zuko and Katara fighting over who gets Aang.

>>92482
I'm just trying to keep things realistic. There may be a girl involved, but it won't be in a romantic way, like you mentioned here >>92485

>>92483

I dunno, that sounds like something out of a Shoujo manga. Hell, it sounds like something out of CLAMP.

>>92481

I have a tendency to fall into the "Anti-" crowd at times. It sucks, but it's just that the other side of the ship seems to have poisoned me into this sorta aversion therapy knee-jerk reaction nonsense.

Seriously, the start of the little tizzy with Youkai-Slayer started with just a zing against somebody who was taking Booter-Freak too seriously, then exploded into a tit for tat as I explored just how nutzo this one person was.

>>92487
Just because the Japanese are the only ones who've done homoeroticism between younger girls in maintstream comic form doesn't mean it can't be done by anyone else.

>>92488
Except this is Nickelodeon, so it won't be.

>>92489
They could do it the way Kaorin had a crush on Sakaki in Azumanga Daioh. I don't think kids could chip through the subtext there.

>>92490
You'll probably want to go more subtle than Kaorin. Even Osaka could cut through the subtext there.

It won't happen.

What I'd like to see though, if there has to be a love triangle, is the main character and some other girl going after the same guy, but in an almost Sokka-Suki-Toph kind of way, where Korra has the feelings but is too gruff to really go through with them.

Obviously I don't want a direct dynamic translation, but it would be nice to make the main character do the legwork for affection, and for it to be difficult in a way rather unlike how it was for Aang (which was, really, not that difficult at all in hindsight).

>>92492
Osaka's not dumb or naive she just thinks differently.

>>92493
the problem with that is that the main character is busy saving the world and as such never has time to be actively wooing anyone.

>a girl and a boy fighting over Korra

If only. And then Korra decides she's polyamorous and chooses them both.

>>92495
I have a really solid feeling that this first run of 13 episodes is going to play like a very very long Tales of Ba Sing Se, meaning she will have plenty of time to pitch woo

>>92510
A 13 episode long Tales? Now I'll be disappointed if that doesn't happen.

Love triangles are pretty played out no matter what the sexuality.

Although it IS rare when the girl/boy with the choice just says "I want BOFUM."

Personally i wish they just went the "One Piece" route and ditched the whole romantic subplot crap to focus on action and adventure and such.....

>>92520
lol Oda's hilarious, he even has a character with traits just to make fun of the tendancies of the Shippers. Though if she ever was a serious love interest it'd all be kinda creepy.

>>92520

Nah

So, I was lurking around ASN in the Mark Watches thread. People started discussing season three and how good/bad it was. You know, the usual. The discussion then turned towards Iroh. Then this happened.

>They turned him into a total Gary-Stu that abandoned Zuko when he truly needed him the most.

>They turned him into a flawless saint that never did anything wrong in his life, which totally cheapened the facet of his character that gave off an atoner vibe earlier in the show. He's also hypocrite, saying he can't off Ozai, but encouraging Zuko to do the same to Azula.

I... wha-.... Seriously?!

>>92691

>ASN idiots implying Iroh said any of those things

>>92691

Iroh never said anything about not offing Ozai, just that the Avatar needed to be the one to do it.
Makes me wonder if he would have fought his brother to the death if push came to shove...

>>92691

>They turned him into a total Gary-Stu that abandoned Zuko when he truly needed him the most.

...

I just can't with most people on ASN. They've been repeating the same shit for three years.
Same idiots who call Mai the Bella Swan of Avatar, probably.

Oh, but that's High Elemental. Just a dumb kid, discussing with him is pointless.

Looking at the arguments of most fans of this show online, i wonder if they were watching the same show i was, or if they watched it at all. Between the ZOOtards and the ones on ASN calling Iroh a "gary stu", i think most of them just make shit up about the show....

>>92743
I am wondering what show the people so bent out of shape over Iroh actually wanted to see.

The Zutarian Vision is Obvious to the point of Cliche. Most of the people angry over the fate of Ozai either wanted Aang to suffer (because it brings character) or are fans of GrimDark for it's own sake.

Iroh? Now that I think about it the only argument that begins to make sense is the impression that he should suffer more in atonement if he did not die as a proper Mentor should.

>>92762
i wish we had learned more about Iroh's time in the spirit world. but that isn't an "i wish they had done this differently" compliant so much as an "i wish they had more time to show this" one.

I would have liked to see Iroh have at least one meeting with Ozai. The two of them are so different, and there's got to be an interesting dynamic there.

>>92777

I wish we could have had more FNRF interaction in general. Hopefully the comics coming out next year will give us some.

>Sokka and Katara as gingers

>>92791

"Aang, get of yer rumpus. We got some bendin' to do, me lad."
"You sound different, Katara. Are you alright?"
"Nonsence laddy. Never felt better in me life. Just ask Sokka!"
"First the potatofamin, now all the whiskey's gone."
"Yer a fat slob, Sokka!"
"Feck off, ye banshee!"

HAHA reverse racism! (I don't even know if that was supposed to be irish or scottish)

>>92792

I dunno, but I laughed my ass off.

>>92792
...reverse?

>>92792

Depending on the context, it's hard to consider it reverse racism considering that Irish immigrants actually had to fight to be considered white and the struggle to do so brought them to have huge gang wars with Japanese and Chinese immigrants.

That said: >>92791

Yeah, I hate it when they give 'em the ole Hollywood/M. Night treatment, too. It's not hard to get proper screenshots, though if all they do is go to piandao.org, I can see why they didn't.

Since this is a rage thread.

Goddamn it, I hate post avatar finale /co/.

Some fag came up with the great idea of doing an avatar general. That thread alone is worse than all those "cancer threads" combined.

>>92846
Do you have a link, so we may all join in your fury?

>>92850

It's no longer up, I think.

But just any Avatar thread in /co/ will do.

>>92762

Alright, so there have been a few people asking how anyone can see Iroh as a sue.

I am not one of the ones who holds this, however I do understand it. So I'm going to try to explain it. Again, I am not here to get in an argument, just to illustrate the POV.

In season two, one of the things that really interested me in "Zuko alone" was the line Iroh had about burning Ba Sing Se to the ground. It heavily implied Iroh had not been a good person, and that he had come to his redemption, and I really, really looked forward to it being developed in season three.

And then it wasn't. One of the episodes that really, really annoyed me was The Firebending Masters. It got me really exited because the idea of Iroh being complicated, was something I had really looked forward to, to see his flaws, and how he became the person he was. I wanted to see this flawed Iroh, who was the grand and terrible Dragon of the West, and instead, turns out he actually saved them, and was perfect the entire time, and that, honestly pissed me off.

The second argument that has some merit, is his lack of flaws. Yes he's a womanizer and tea lover, but the show positively winks at those traits. I don't personally buy it, and Sue's are not about flaws only, but it is worth considering.

So no, characterizing it as simply wanting him to die is not fair to the other side.

>>92854
See, The Firebending Masters is what I thought of when they said that. It's also why I was so angry, because it's complete BULLSHIT.

I mean seriously?! Iroh spares the last two dragons and he's 'perfect'? Even though this took place before his attempted conquest of Ba Sing Se, this one event negates everything else Iroh's done? He's now a fucking Saint?!

Hell, let's look at someone else with a complicated past: Zuko. In season one, he had many examples that showed he wasn't an awful human being. He would still attack or threaten most anyone who would get in the was of capturing the Avatar. He was willing to turn Aang over to his father, and let the rest of the world fall to the Fire Nation. He wasn't perfectly good OR bad, he had good and bad traits.

So ~why~ can't the same be applied to Iroh? He had reverence for the dragons. He was most certainly a caring father/uncle(/husband?). He possibly never went out of his was to bring harm to anyone...

BUT that doesn't mean he was without flaws, or that he never killed anyone in battle. When he told Jet that he "was a different man," I took that as more than "I tried and failed to conquer a city once." He may not ever have been as bad as his brother or some of the others leading the Fire Nation, but that's not how one becomes a 'Saint.'

tl:dr, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

>>92858
To further elaborate/ramble on, we don't even know WHY he didn't kill Ran and Shaw. It could that he planned to lie all along, so no one would go after them ever again. Or, and this is my head canon, he intended to slay them but was so humbled by their presence that he couldn't bring himself to do it.

Iroh *is* a complex character, not because he was mostly evil and turned good or because he was mostly good and went all good, but because he had a good side and a bad side, and the good in him won over.

Regardless of whether or not Iroh was "perfect," he wasn't a Su/Stu.

First of all, he wasn't a focus character. Even when he was onscreen, he was mostly as a supporting figure in Zuko's story--as the "good" father figure in contrast to Ozai, the "bad" father figure. When he wasn't on screen, the only person who ever really spent any time wondering where he was, was Zuko. The other characters mostly ignored him, other than Toph who did admittedly like him when she first met him.

It might be of some interest that the only two characters we saw with much of an emotional connection with Iroh were both characters who had major Daddy Issues. I don't know if that was intentional, but looking at it after the fact, it makes a lot of sense.

But secondly, while Iroh was presented as a badass, he wasn't the top at anything--not anymore. Azula was a better firebender at a younger age than him, and he was powerless against his younger brother as well. He failed at his initial attempts to put Zuko on the right path, which was his only goal in the series.

Honestly, Toph was more of a Sue than Iroh. But it's all beside the point anyway because being a Sue doesn't make a character unentertaining. It's a symptom, not a diagnosis.

>>92854

But it is, as you point out, a lack of evidence. You chose to interpret that lack of evidence as meaning we simply didn't see the complicated past, High Elemental chooses to interpret it as meaning it wasn't there. It doesn't make either of you stupid.

>>92861

We never saw Iroh at a young age, so any interpretation,

The big thing for the people who hold that Iroh is a Sue is this. Of all the major characters, he is the only one who is morally unassailable during the time we see him. Aside from the already mentioned winked at 'flaws' (womanizing, tea) he is never shown to be in the wrong, to the point that "Iroh said X" has been used in fan debate's to prove a point.

Does that make him a Sue? No, I never argued it did, and if someone were arguing it, I would argue against him, partially because, as you point out, he's there as a foil to Ozai not a character. However, it is a powerful enough position that it isn't fair to simply dismiss his arguments as stupid or nonsense. You can disagree with someone without believing them to be stupid or not worth talking to.

The thing about Iroh is, he's had his story arc. It just wasn't during the period of the show. The show's got so many other characters to juggle, that there's not much time to put in a fully fleshed out explanation of Iroh's turn to good. Even if it could be brought to relevance with the current story (say, having to do with Zuko's change of heart), it would be redundant with the story told in The Avatar and the Firelord.

Incidentally, I don't think Iroh's story would exactly be your typical Zuko-style evil to good transformation either- Iroh always struck me as a genuinely decent fellow (which would explain his mercy toward Ran and Shaw), but one that was caught up in his family's business and doesn't make much of it until it affected him personally.

>>92854
>Yes he's a womanizer and tea lover, but the show positively winks at those traits.

Well, being a "tea lover" isn't inherently bad, so it's less of a flaw and more of an obsession. But he was also portrayed as somewhat "hedonistic" and Zuko called him "The laziest man in the Fire Nation". Iroh also stole a bottle of perfume from some nuns when they weren't looking. This is portrayed as humorous, although I saw one Iroh-hater use this as an example of why they didn't like him. And let's not forget in one of the flashbacks from "Zuko Alone" we see him having a hearty chuckle at the thought of burning Ba Sing Se to the ground.

To me personally, Iroh's biggest flaw was underestimating Zuko's desire for his father's love and approval. His "Who are you and what do you want?" speech kind of backfired on him and it was shown to what lengths Zuko would go to fulfill his desire to return home and regain his "honor". Zuko did find the right path eventually, largely thanks to Iroh's teachings, but he still had to learn his lesson the hard way. Iroh didn't realize this until it was too late. This might not count as a character flaw, at least not an obvious one, but it was another example that he wasn't perfect.

In any case, Iroh's flaws may be minimal, but they're there, and anyone who calls Iroh a Gary Stu doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>92846
>Some fag

I know you're probably in "chanspeak" mode, but can you ease up on that?

>>92872

>complaining about chanspeak on a *chan

>>92872

>complain about chanspeak

>in motherfuckiing +4chan

YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, KID!

>>92873
>>92874
Wow, knee-jerk reactions much? MrSeyker, I thought better of you. I'm not new around here and I'm not a kid. Nor was I implying all chanspeak was bad, I just don't like seeing plain ol' "fag" thrown around as an insult. Sorry if my polite request offended you guys somehow.

>>92875

Why? People who loudly rev up their motorcycles and ride around small towns bothering people suck.

I'm with the anon. "Fag" isn't strictly chanspeak when you don't add it to "drawfag" or something like that, so yeah, despite all the conversation we've had about the overuse of "social justice" speak, I also found that in kind of poor taste.

not exactly 'rage' but the surname Miyazawa fits Katara like an 8 finger glove on Fred Flintstone's hand

>>92937
>Kendo.

...

...


.....Why?

>>92937

What kind of last name would fit Katara? I know her culture is based off Eskimos, but her name comes from the Spanish word for "waterfall."

>>92945

There's an awesome, but incomplete, AU fic called "Rinkrats" that gave the main cast really sutable surnames. The Water sibs' surname is "Amaruq" in the story.

>>92945

Sorry, was that ever confirmed anywhere? The Spanish word for waterfall is "cascada" it isn't anywhere near as obvious as "Azula" was.

>>92948
Not who made that claim, and I don't know what the root language would be, but "Cataract" is an english word that can mean waterfall, and presumably would come from the same root.

Though most of the time when people talk about cataracts in English they're referring to obstructions on the eye lenses.

>>92948

Catarata (cataract) is a synonym for Cascada (waterfall).

>>92945
>>92948
>>92953
>>92954
Huh. You learn something new every day.

>New game/poll on nick.com
http://nicktoons.nick.com/games/nicktoons-best-of-the-bad-boys.html
>Looks at leader board
>Ozai 5th place, below DBZK characters
>Azula *7th* place, below Piccolo
>ZUKO BELOW RADITZ AND RECOOME
>mfw

>>94618
Surely Koh is at #1, right?

>>94619
lol nope
The only other Avatar character on the list is Hama- I'm sorry, 'The Puppet Master.'

Cell is currently #1.

>>94620
But Cell's a little copycat bitch!

What the actual fuck, Tumblr.

Shipping.

ESPECIALLY when it is against CANON.

Do Zutarians even still exist? They seem to have the spotlight taken from them by the Bronies.

>>95561
>my face

>>95565
Unfortunately, yes. The bitching has come back in full force since it was revealed that Tenzin was Katara and Aang's son.

>>95564
Shipping only canon is the most boring thing in the world. You can ship whatever you want, it's how you go about being a fan of the ship that matters.

>>95568
I'm pretty sure they just gave up on the series when they found that out so it's not really a big deal for them anymore.

>>95561
The "Katara Needs A Real Man" school of shipping. Lovely.

>>95580
Oh how I wish they gave up by now. We have leaks of the comics kicking off cries of "Zutara Moment!"

>>95586

Nah, that was before the other pages of the comic were leaked. Now, it's "ZOMG! KATARA'S SUCH A BITCH1!" "ZUKO WUZ JUST HOLDING HER WRIST, AANG AND KATARA OVERREACTED1!!"

>>95561

>>95561

I need a response-image of Aang writing this all down at a desk as Jet dictates to him, going 'Uh-huh...yeah...then...?' while Katara's underneath it sucking his dick.

Heh. Dick-tates.

>>95590

Though I feel I must note that in both scenarios Katara's seeming to be used as a sexual tool or one-upping device in Jet and Aang's sex games. Maybe they should be fucking each other as Katara watches, doing herself.

I'm sure that's more PC.

>>95591
i'mmorethanokwiththis.jpg

>>95591
While bloodbending with her free hand!

>>95610

No, as that makes her the unequal partner in this perfectly fair and PC response, and that would be hypocritical in today's enlightened society.

...Or some bullshit like that.

>>95610
>>95611
No, it's more like Bloodbending for the purposes of sex got old really fast.

>>95618

This too.

I read a story recently where she used it to help with healing though, and that was neat.

>>95873
Ugh. THEY REALLY ARE THIS STUPID. Yes, people standing next to each other automatically = TRU WUV! So, what's your favorite they're-standing-next-to-each-other-so-they're-in-love ship?

Also... this. Just... this. BRB, vomit.

http://capslock-zutara.livejournal.com/477050.html

>>95891
Sokka/Momo

>>95893
Okay, ignoring everything else in the thread, that last pic is pretty funny.

>>95893
I will be the better man here and say that was funny as fucking hell.

I still know they're batshit crazy, but hell they made me laugh. That's gotta be worth something.

>>95903
Yeah, the last one was okay. The rest of it, not so much.

I don't know how you guys can take those capslock zutarians seriously. I mean, I don't doubt they do like the ship, and there probably are a few nutbags in there that believe everything they say, but for the most part they look like they're being silly for the fun of it. I just think they're funny.

But, you guys are probably still bitter about how they were back when the show was still running. I only watched through the series last year, so I never had to deal with that. Also, I don't care for Kataang, or any of the romance in this show, so Zutara doesn't offend me at all.

The only time I get ticked is in cases like this >>95785.

>>95908
You obviously haven't been around them long enough or seen the true extent of their crazy. Yeah, the capslock lot can be silly sometimes, even as they're being stupid, but there's a good chunk of them out there that are absolutely insane. Like the ones who insist Aang was "rape-kissing" (their literal words) Katara during the Ember Island Players, yet Zuko tying Katara to a tree or grabbing her is sooo romantic kawaii desu! Or the time they compared that 12/13 year old kid who knocked up his older girlfriend to Kataang. There are sane Zutara shippers out there who just do it for fun, but then there's the rest of them...

>>95911
>Like the ones who insist Aang was "rape-kissing" (their literal words) Katara during the Ember Island Players,

I think the serious ones said that kind of stuff out of anger, but don't really believe it. They may be hysteric, but nobody's that insane.

I don't even think the capslock ones are being stupid, I mean they are, but in a deliberate way. Just look at the stuff they post, and their avatars, they're mocking themselves.

But yeah, I haven't been around long, I didn't see them at the peak of their insanity.

>>95914

DietOtaku? First post in response to the picture? Most likely totally serious. She's normally great. If anything, she was one of the most eloquent and well spoken people I've ever seen when it came to the issue of the unfair casting of the movie.

...but if the Cold War taught us anything, yesterdays friends can be tomorrow's enemies. Bring up anything Zutara or third season, or Aang-not-killing-Ozai related and the zeal drops in like a goddamn hammer. Suddenly, she's just...an awful person.

Never underestimate this fandom. Remember there are still people who loved the movie out there.

Sort of an anti-anger post, I found this funny fanfic where all the ships are people.

http://anthropomor-fic.livejournal.com/65745.html

They don't get along either.

>>95914
>nobody's that insane

I wish you were right. I truly do.

>>95914

Yeah, it's pretty clear you're new to the fandom. For you to even try and defend these nutjobs is crazy.

>>95911

>Or the time they compared that 12/13 year old kid who knocked up his older girlfriend to Kataang.

Funny note about that story, it turned out that boy wasn't the father after all. It was an older lad, if I remember correctly.

>>95920
I heard something about that, but I wasn't sure if it had been proven at the time. I'd be tempted to make a joke about 14 year old girls cheating on their 12 year old boyfriends with older boys and throw it right back at them, but unlike the Zutards, I think I'll take the high road on this one.

>>95919
Oh come on, they're not all nutjobs.

I just feel sorry for you guys that bust a vein every time you see anything related to zutara. I'm here having a laugh just reading the entry tags for that post. They're just having their fun.

Of course, there are sane Zutarians - however, unfortunately for them - the crazy ones were/and apparently are STILL so vocal that their entire ship has been pegged as the Harmonians of AtLA fandom.

Honestly, it is ridiculously tempting to snark about (crazy) Zutarians. I try not to, but damn - they make it so easy, so much so that I can't fault anyone who make fun of them. Hell, even Bryke made fun of them. Back then, when the Book 4 Spoof came out - I tried to think that Bryke was just nicely poking at the Zutarians (and shipping in general).

These days, I can't help but think that they really were making fun of the (crazy) Zutarians. Bryan, in particularly, seemed especially snarky about them. And it doesn't help, that many of the crazies say that Bryke made them the laughingstock of the fandom.

Anyway, I still try to think that Bryke was being nice, but it's also hard to argue against the folks who think otherwise.

>>95924

No they're not all nutjobs, but not all of them are just having their fun. At the same, we're not frothing with rage here, more...rolling our eyes. This is typical Zutara fodder, it's nothing compared to all the stuff we actually saw pour out during the heyday. You're going "haha, what is this?" We're going "oh, this shit again."

You should have been here for the AVidZktjo "Zutara is gonna happen" videos. You should have been here for How I Became Yours. You should have been here in August 2008 when tearful YouTube videos littered the web. It was a different time. Trust us when we say that it leaves a mark on you after three years of sorting through and dealing with the fallout.

Telling us that it's all in our heads is like telling a seasoned tech support agent their job is easy, you're just gonna get and angry glare and a mountain of stories.

>>95927
I agree with the guy and have been a fan since the premiere, and paid at least marginal attention to the fandom since at least the second season. I just don't hold grudges against entire subcommunities because a lot of them are crazy fuckers--if I did, I wouldn't be able to participate in the My Little Pony fandom at all.

Oh Lord, they (crazy Zutarians) were just... (sighs). I'm actually one of the folks who tried help them not be so crazy. Also, actually once explained to someone why ship sinking can be quite painful (emotionally).

Unfortunately, instead of letting go and being a good sport about it, one too many of them just wouldn't be gracious about losing the shipping war. In turn, folks on the other side of the shipping war find it difficult to be gracious winners as well.

Then, there's Bryke. It's difficult to act gracious to (crazy) Zutarians still being crazy when the very creators of the show continue to snark about them.

Remember, when those pop-commentaries aired - the very last commentary of the show was actually "Kataang Wins!" Salt on wound.

Now, I really don't know if Bryke would be less snarky if the (crazy) Zutarians were more good-natured (less serious business) about their ship, but it's plainly obvious that it was the crazies who made it difficult for others not to snark about their ship.

>>95926
>>95927
Yeah, this. We're not saying all Zutarians are crazy. But this is the thread in which we groan, roll our eyes at, or, occasionally, rage about the stupidity of the Zutards, many of whom happen to frequent capstara. And honestly, it's the snipes and sometimes sheer virulent hatred toward Aang and Mai that get me the most. I can just facepalm at STANDING TOGETHER = OTP! but when they start bashing on and belittling other characters, that's when I rage.

tl;dr
Zutarians = not always crazy (but sometimes)
Zutards = unhealthily obsessed, batshit insane fangirls and fanboys that need to get over it already and get a life

>>95931

Yes, the sheer hatred displayed to Mai, Aang, Song (anyone who gets in the way of their OTP) is mainly what made me gave up on humoring the crazies.

There just came a point when I really did not want to be associated with them at all.

>>95930

>Remember, when those pop-commentaries aired - the very last commentary of the show was actually "Kataang Wins!" Salt on wound.

I highly doubt Mike and Bryan were behind any of those popups. I've only caught a few of those and they're littered with popups with purposefully false facts and misinformation.

One of the popups when Zuko invades the SWT to look for Aang was "Zuko was originally designed to be a love interest for Katara". You know who was really supposed to be Katara's love interest, including an on-screen love triangle/rivalry with Aang when the show was being planned? Toph 1.0

>>95933

I read somewhere that Zuko had been considered as a love interest for Katara. (Not sure if that source as accurate).

Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that the Zutarians still get poked at by Bryke and people involved in creating the show.

Btw, I still want to think that Bryke and co. are just teasing. It's just harder to prove so these days.

>>95934
>I read somewhere that Zuko had been considered as a love interest for Katara.

Yeah, that's completely false and almost certainly started by the die-hard Zutards themselves.

You know, I can only imagine that things wouldn't have gotten so out of hand if people hadn't started treating Zutara like a legitimate ship when it was never any more legitimate than Zukaang, Tyzula, or Hakoda/Ursa (Ursoda? I forget the name). Those were all highly popular ships too, but outside fanon, they never got so much as a mention. Okay, two of them are gay ships, which is a no-no for American cartoons, but my point remains. Zutara was no more legit than any other fanon or crackpairing.


But suddenly you see lines in Nick magazines for Kataang and Zutara shippers to "place their bets", or that question on the season 1 bonus disk asking if Katara and Zuko would ever end up together. I was bewildered when I first saw that, because at the time, I had no idea Zutara even existed (ah, blissful ignorance) and there had been absolutely NOTHING in the show to insinuate even a hint of romance between the two. They didn't even have a one-sided crush scenario like with Tokka. Hell, as >>95933 said, Katoph was more canon than Zutara, until Toph became a girl. Zutara was never even a player. Katara and Zuko barely interacted through most of the series, and when they did, it was almost always as enemies. But I guess after going "lolwut?", telling them that Moappa was more to happen, and that Kataang was in the show's DNA from the beginning, and still getting asked about Zutara, the creators decided to play it up and have some fun creating a love triangle that never existed in the first place. Unless it was Katara and Zuko fighting over Aang.

>>95934

It's likely not. The only "official" thing is one of those various, inaccurate, pop-up thingies. Mike and Bryan have said Kataang was in the DNA of the show. Oddly enough, in the original drafts, I don't think Aang and Katara ended up together. Aang sorta got a lifetime dream of a life of adventure instead of the whole Spirtual fulfilment deal he got in the final version. Keep in mind, that idea is so old that in the script, Iroh was evil and trained Zuko wrong on purpose to keep him from being powerful, Pakku died, Aang learned Firebending by copying Ozai at the last second and Toph and Azula were male.

>>95935
>>95936

Oh Lord, then - that pop-up commentary about Zuko being Katara's first love interest was really meant to rile up the Zutarians.

And people wonder why it's so dang easy to snark about (crazy) Zutarians. Bryke does it. Nickelodeon does it.

Heh... I predict the Korra shipping wars will be worse.

>>95937
Well seeing as they've already started long before the show aired thats no doubt

>>95938
I thought it had already been resolved: Korra gets a harem.

>>95893
http://capslock-zutara.livejournal.com/477050.html?thread=12957050#t12957050

Say's _everything_ about this crowd you really need to know.
>>95914
I caught the tail end of things, and they got scary. I admit that on a personal level I thought Zuko demonstrated more chemistry with Aang than Katara, but the obsessive character-bashing and what was trotted out as 'proof' soured me on the ship entirely

>>95934

No that was a troll by Nickelodeon. Mike and Bryan have said countless times that they NEVER intended to have Zuko/Katara get together. (and all but said that people were stupid for thinking that they were) and that Aang and Katara was always going to be the couple.

I do think Mike and Bryan legitimately didn't like the Zutarians. A lot of people considered the Book 4: spoof as playful teasing, but I really think that was them telling the Zutarians to go fuck themselves.

>>95936

I remember the person who first posted that about the Avatar bible did say that it mentioned that "Aang and Katara's relationship was the heart of the story"

>>95948

>I do think Mike and Bryan legitimately didn't like the Zutarians. A lot of people considered the Book 4: spoof as playful teasing, but I really think that was them telling the Zutarians to go fuck themselves.


I kinda share that sentiment. As far as the crazy fans are concerned and about how it takes up so much percentage of the fanart.

>>95948
>NEVER intended to have Zuko/Katara get together
i don't like zutarians as much as the next guy but yeah, way, waaaaaay back before they even got shit started, zuko and katara were gonna hook up. i imagine this is before they even had some of the major details of the plot worked out, and iirc they ditched the idea pretty quickly.

>>95950


Let's see.....should I go by what Mike and Bryan has stated numerous or by some unnamed source. (Zutarian)

Yeah, I think I'll stick with Mike and Bryan.

>>95950

No, Bryke has said that wasn't the case.

NUMEROUS TIMES.

Silly Zutarians, Male!Toph was suppose to be Katara's love interest

>>95953
>Silly Zutarians, Regular!Toph was suppose to be Katara's love interest

NOW we're talkin'.

>>95937
>>Heh... I predict the Korra shipping wars will be worse.
heh.....I predict i will stay away from the fandom while this show airs...

>>95956
I honestly enjoy them.

>>95962
I kinda used to troll some of the crazier Zutards (I simply couldn't stand thier insane fantacism and THIS IS PROOF PEOPLE antics that made them so sure it was going to be canon, people like my friend though who just liked the pairing weren't a problem) but I don't think I'm into that anymore.

>>95950
Hahaha, no.

>>95969
I used to debate them. And called out the psychotic ones and told them to stop their self-entitlement, hate spewing, and character and creator bashing. It went over about as well as you'd expect.

To prevent the "Not all Z's are bad" derailment sthick, I am referring to the crazy ones, not the sane ones whom I pity very much.

I think the best way is to ignore them 100%. Confronting them is like engaging monkeys. They may be the monkeys, but you'll still end up covered in the poo.

Unfortunately, I also think they get somewhat of a high from just seeing other people talk about their antics, even if we're just laughing at them. No publicity is bad publicity as they say. Plus, we may end up casting them in a sympathetic light to people who are unfamiliar with the fandom or who do not know about how they became the laughing stock of the fandom.

I've seen Bryke themselves get admonished for being anti-shipping by people unfamiliar with the show or fandom.

Perhaps areas for raging about crazy Z's should have an introduction or disclaimer for why they are so rage-worthy? Then again, sooner or later, people who venture into this fandom will be educated as to why they are the Harmonians of the Avatar fandom.

>>95976
I still think they should get called on their BS once in a while. It may not accomplish anything, but it feels better than just letting them think they have everyone's silent agreement.

>>95978

You have a point. Even I want kick their hineys (metaphorically-speaking) once in a while, and I haven't been active in the fandom for years. Not only have the crazy Z's given their ship a bad rep, the entire fandom is affected one way or another.

I withdraw my recommendation that they be ignored 100%.

Well, i have to admit zutarans do make some pretty art.

So here we have a writer who hates Aang and places square blame on him for the war starting. Said writer is having it out with some people on avatar_fans, the OP of this entry is a huge tl-:dr back and forth with the OP, I'll just skip that and link the thread the writer started in which they talk about their story

http://avatar-fans.livejournal.com/3438438.html?thread=42240870#t42240870

>In regards to the Katara venting, keep in mind that in my story, The New Age Saga: In Retrospect, Aang, Toph, Sokka, Hakoda, Bato, Haru's dad, and everyone else has died. My OC Kalo Poder actually set a trap for all of them and killed them in a giant fireball of death. So its just Katara, the Duke, Teo, and Haru left, and the way things are going they will probably be dead before too much longer.

>Let's face it, if the Fire Nation had any sense they would use the Dai Li agents to kill Aang, Sokka and Toph as they were flying down that tunnel of lava. That is what I would have done. Of course I think a little bit differently then Mike and Bryan. I tend to think that I actually know a little bit about how to wage a successful war

>I don't hate Aang, I merely find him grossly immature and incompetent military leader.

>Aang
>military leader
>OC that kills multiple main cast members with his spiritbomb
>Grimdark on top of grimdark
>in a reply to a joking comment of mine, writer said Aang willingly froze himself after he ran away
>that's completely fucking wrong

ALL OF MY HATE

>>95992
>going to livejournal in 2011
what did you expect?

>>95996

If it weren't for my livejournal comm subscriptions I wouldn't have happened upon the awesome fic 'A Day in the Life' and the 'Conversations with the Avatar' series.

>>95992
>My OC Kalo Poder actually set a trap for all of them and killed them in a giant fireball of death.
>Of course I think a little bit differently then Mike and Bryan. I tend to think that I actually know a little bit about how to wage a successful war
>Mike and Bryan's pitful story telling ability

Ahahaha. Grimdark and fail everywhere. I can't even rage at this guy. It's your typical angsty, I'm so deeeeep, teenage fanfictard.

>>95996
You can go anywhere online and find stuff like this. Be it elljay, whinespace, facepalm, TWITer, googletube, whatever.

>>96000

But wait, there's more!

>Because I don't like him. I don't like the way the series ended (if they were going to do Kataang at least make the last interaction between Katara and Aang not a fight. That never made any sense to me). Because he bumbles about, creating the most useless plans that make no sense. Because he doesn't eat meat. The list goes on and on. I have never like Aang, even when I was a Kataang shipper.

lolwut?!

>>96002
>Because he doesn't eat meat.

I was just about to post that. He seriously doesn't like Aang because he's a vegetarian? What a douchebag.

>>96000
>Kalo Poder

Even by the very liberal naming standards of the Avatar world, that sounds off...

In fact it sounds pretty swedish. Unless he's some kind of firebending viking, I can't even get past that in this fic...

>>95992
>>96002

Daniel, you honor your name, because you hit it out of the fucking park with those post.

I FUCKIN' MAD.

>>95992

>Of course I think a little bit differently then Mike and Bryan. I tend to think that I actually know a little bit about how to wage a successful war
Oh my god

>>95992
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (although this person's fixation on the 'Real Men Are Killers' fallacy undercuts my willingness to heed his), but I think Katara would be far angrier with the Villain Sue, The FN in general, or Sokka (it was his plan) than she would with Aang.

> Yes he did end the war, but at what cost? That would be like a person lighting a candle, looking at it intently then leaving. A second person (Aang comes in) notices the candle and sees that it is almost burned its way through and that there are some lose papers around it that the fire can possibly get on, but does nothing. The second person leaves and when he comes back not only is his house on fire, but the entire block is on fire. He may but out the flame, but his inaction allowed the fire to start

And this comparison is rather flawed. Given what he actually knew was going on Aang would be the guy (let us even go so far as calling him the rookie Fire Watch recruit walking home from his first day of training) who walked past the house, noticed a candle in the window, and did not bother checking if someone was home.

excerpt from another reply to me:

>Aang is a military leader. He is King of the World. Being commander in chief kind of goes with the role.

bahahaha

She's probably still a kid, I don't think her fic deserves the attention it's getting.

>>95992
>My OC Kalo Poder actually set a trap for all of them and killed them in a giant fireball of death.

Amazing how much fail can be packed into just one fucking sentence.

>>96105
DietOtaku, let's make something clear.

Projection is not healthy. Projection that makes clear just how immature, superfical, and illogical the reasoning behind a lot of Zutarians' stances are is less healthy.

It does not help that Aang is closer to sex-god status than Zuko

>>96105
>Man-cock

Ohh boy...

Ok here is my question, between this, HIBY, and other Zutaran shit i have seen there seems to be one constant. Zuko is a dick. Seriously Zuko was a pretty likeable and relate able character in the show, why do Zutards always portray him as such an alpha asshole? Are these the kind of guys they are into in real life or what?

>>96105
Poe's Law has completely consumed Passionate-Zutara for me at this point. I can't tell when it's real and when it's a parody anymore, because at this point it's pretty much always funny.

>>96119
At a guess, this comes close to the alpha male of the Bodice Ripper Romance Genre where tying someone up and attempting to blackmail them into treason _is_ a romantic gesture.

>>96135
Which is hilarious when you consider the sheer number of Zutards who claim that Katara is a strong, feminist grrrrl icon who shouldn't be "given" to Aang as a "prize", yet want to throw her to Zuko just because they look hawt together and view Katara as their self-insert. Whoops! Guess that's hypocrisy for you.

>>96135
>>96136
Not surprisingly, plenty of zutarians turned to Twilight after Avatar ended.
Apparently abusive undertones are totally fine if the guy is hot.

http://iflewintothewildandfire.tumblr.com/post/14197757888/zutara-banner-spam-all-credit-goes-to Sigh.

>>96142

You know what my biggest problem with the self-proclaimed Zootards is? They seem to be unable to define their ship except in opposition to something else.

>>96168
The really only piss me off when they go out ofthier way to show Aang heartbroken. After all, what's the pont of love if someone isn't suffering as a result?

Following up on >>96477

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/lb_i.php?lb_id=13083663820B12460100

>The show's seasons are called "books." For some reason. I don't get it either; books do not prominently figure prominently within the show's overall theme or general milieu. Indeed, one main character is completely illiterate. In any case, season one is called Book 1: Water.

>>96508
Tvtropes is filled with retards, which is both old news and hardly unique for a gathering of people on the internet.

>>96508
I skipped to the end and saw this as the first two sentences.
>How do you judge an entire TV series? It's easier with movies: either the movie sucks or it didn't.
This transcends Aanger, this is fucking insulting to entire mediums of entertainment.

>>96508
>one main character is completely illiterate

Because she's FUCKING BLIND? Idiot.

Though I always thought Toph might invent a type of "Earthbending Braille".

>the idea that making Avatar grimdark automatically makes it good
>the idea that making ANYTHING grimdark automatically makes it good

How quaint.

>>96508
>Both this and that episode were supposed to be about Aang getting his necessary waterbending training so that he can save the world. But both were almost immediately co-opted by Katara and her desires/obsession to become a waterbender. I thought this show was supposed to be about the Avatar, the last airbender. It's only in the title.
>Katara always gets her way. That other people might still suffer is entirely irrelevant.
>Katara's episode thievery
all of my hate

Oh, and the next page is a dissection, or rather evisceration, of Katara's character. Sigh.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65655729.html#comments
Ugh, the comments about kataang/zutara.

>>96708
shhh, just ignore them.

>>96708
Goddammit. Can't they just shut the fuck up already and go back to their shitty fanfics? Do they have to bring this up every single time Korra is mentioned? Instead of getting excited for the new series like the rest of us, all they can do is bitch about how their imaginary ship never happened.

>>96711

I have tried remembering past times when I liked a ship so much that it (actually) hurt when canon jossed it. I got over it usually in about a week. However, even with ships which I like a lot - I don't try to convert other people to like the ships I like.

A few shippers; however, are so srs bns about their ships to the point that they spent countless hours into trying to make the rest of fandom see what so goddam special about their preferred ship that they can't recover (even years after) when canon sinks their ship.

Basically, it's like they (really) turned their ship into a religion.

Whenever I feel the urge to engage with a Zutard directly, I just mosey over to the Ship-to-Ship Combat TVTropes page. It's a lot more fun to waste time over at TVTropes than deal with a die-hard shipper. Also, I end up feeling not so bad for the Avatar fandom when I'm reminded of the other other shipping wars out there.

>>96708
>Still a little grossed out that Katara ending up with Aang.
>It was such a mother/son relationship.

Oh. oh...........

>To be honest, I like Tokka as a ship, and I think it feels less awkward than Kataang because Toph seems more mature than Aang, both mentally and physically, even though there's only a one year difference between them (I think).

wat

>It was such a mother/son relationship.

Makes me wonder just what kind of relationship these sickos had with their mothers...

>>96726

Well to be fair, the show did specifically point out Katara acting motherly and protective and why that was such a big part of her character and interactions with other people. I certainly don't think it influenced every interaction she had with every person, and it certainly wasn't the crux of her relationship with Aang, but there were times when she was motherly toward him.

If someone doesn't see the two of them together because of that, I can understand where they're coming from, even if I really don't agree with it.

>>96730
Amusingly enough, the few things cited as Katara's Repressed Love For Zuko that make any sense make more sense as an indicator of her general motherliness.

>>96730

While i agree that she had a motherly personality, i never really saw this dynamic with Aang. Probably had a lot to do with him constantly swooning over her, and the locking of lips more than one time during the series. Along with a host of other things, so no i can't see where they would get a "mother, son" relationship from them.

>>96731

That's very true. As she did with many people on the show, Katara's motherly traits (protectiveness, empathy, caregiver) are the traits she most exhibited when positively interacting with Zuko. And yet the mother dynamic of her character is something consistently cited as why many people don't see her romantically with Aang. It's really is this funny little catch 22.

>>96734

These people would of course insist that Katara can't be motherly to Zuko, for Zuko was older than her and so grown-up, unlike Aang. This of course ignores that Katara is motherly to her older brother, and that Zuko was a total mama's boy and greatly misses her even unto the end of the series, while Aang never once has any issue with the absence of a mother figure in his life.

Wasn't one of their big points how similar Katara was to Zuko's mother?

>>96745

I recall a big deal being made about Katara's season 3 design being vaguely similar to Ursa's, such that Zuko would somehow see Katara in a crowd and think that it was Ursa. Either way its quite dumb and hypocritical in the face of "Katara is Aang's mommy and therefore Kataang are gross."

>>96747
>>96745
I thought the big deal was that she looked similar to Roku's wife?

>>96748

That came later.

>>96745
>>96747
Went looking for a pic to respond, but apparently I'm missing it. It was called "The Mommy Glomp" by Zutara-Shewolf777 (this was before I knew much about "Zutara" or the crazy side of the fandom). Basically, there are Zutara fans out there who acknowledge that Katara would be just as much of a mother-figure to Zuko as she is to Aang, if not more. The ones who think Kataang is gross because of the supposed mother/son aspect are in denial, or they don't know anything about Katara's character. Probably both.

>>96750
she seems to have deactivated her account.

>>96751
That's the one! Thanks. And yeah, I noticed that when I tried to find it again. It's a pretty cute/funny pic if you ignore the Zutara aspect.

>>96724

What's this, I don't even...

>>96751
Oedipus: The Last Airbender

I just encountered this pile of stupidity on the tumblr

>So someone had posted this long argument that the main character of the show was not tan, but in fact a POC, and had a long argument about how racist people are by making/calling characters “white.” My thoughts? What a fucking moron. First of all, everyone and everything in that series is based of Asian culture, more specifically being East Asia, and also Inuit culture. So technically nobody in that series is white, or POC, but in fact Asian or Inuit. Second of all, why would Korra not be tan? Technically, she’s Inuit, Inuit people are tan, tan being in the sense that she’s not an ethnically white person. In the series, the water tribes are the Inuits, think about it. They live in the cold, icey, snowy climates, hunt, live in igloos or other ice-made structures. Korra, who like Katara, is also a water bender and is from the Southern Water Tribe, is Inuit, not white or POC. Any other character in Avatar, or Legend of Korra, is Asian, not white. The shows take place in a world that was freaking based off of Asia, their culture is Asian based, and many of them have Asian characteristics. So no more of this bullshit that Korra is a POC, not tan or not white. She’s fucking Inuit, just like all the other water benders, and everyone else is Asian.

My brain got filled with so much fuck it was about to explode but then I refreshed and seen someone reblogged it and responded:


>Dude. Inuit people are not tan. A tan is when your natural skin becomes darker due to exposure to the sun — people who are naturally darker than Caucasians are not tan because they are born with their skin color. Their dark skin IS their natural color — they did not grow darker from exposure to the sun like white people who tan do. Tan skin is considered an extension or form of pale/white skin, which Inuit color is definitely NOT. Calling Korra “tan” because her skin isn’t as dark as, say, a black woman’s, is not correct at all. Calling it tan indicates that you believe her skin is originally and naturally white. I don’t think I need to explain what’s wrong with this line of thinking.

>Also, you keep using the term “POC,” but I don’t think you seem to know what it means. A person of color is a term used to describe anybody who is not white. Yes, that does includes Asians and Inuits. It’s a term meant to indicate minorities, and Asian and Inuit people definitely fit the bill. Nobody in Avatar is white, right? Everyone in the show based off of Asian or Inuit people, thereby making them a PoC. Just because most Asians don’t have “darker” skin than Caucasians doesn’t mean they are not a PoC.

>That is brown skin. Not tanned skin. That is not a tan.

The kicker about the original post? One of the notes:

>greenifyme liked this

....

>zutarians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_(color)

>>96824
What exactly is profoundly stupid about either of these posts? I'm a little confused.

>>96826

The first post makes a lot of mistakes regarding words and acronyms. I assume she saw a lot of posts made by people who protested the movie saying "I'm so glad to have a PoC heoine on a mainstream show," or "She's not tanned" or something related to Jackson Rathbone "needing a tan" and not knowing what that meant, this person just made a rant. Second post was a response and isn't meant to be seen as silly, it's basically addressing the problems.

>>96826

The OP I quoted has a gross misunderstanding of what is a Person of Color is. They excluded Inuits and Asians from the POC descriptor and then went on to say Korra has "tan" skin. The reply I pasted set the OP straight and cured the small headache I got while trying decipher the OP's post.

I guess that's the stuff one is bound to run into while refreshing the Korra tag looking for more leaked stuff.

Polite sage.

Okay, this is less rage-inducing than it is hilariously stupid trolling, but I thought I'd stick it here so I don't muck up the Korra thread. It's worth a laugh.

http://believeinwinx.forum-motion.com/t191-i-hate-you-all

And this is why I shouldn't have come back to /co/ and I'll avoid it when Korra will be airing.

http://boards.4chan.org/co/res/33995398

>>97207

>>Not if they keep doing stupid shit and Korra has to show up to "fix the mess of the boys", and then they proceed to worship her and admit her superiority.

>Will they lick her feet?

Oh /co/...

Anyway this replay sums up the thread nicely:

>>enter this thread
>>first 50 or so posts
>wow, is /co/ actually having a sensible discussion about female leads?
>>the rest of the posts
>>mfw



this one made me lol:

>> when Toph's bitchiness lead to Aang, of all people, blowing up at her and basically splitting up the group?

>Why do I post on this board with these horribly retarded people? Did you even watch that fucking episode? Toph was completely right about what she said and Aang flipped out because he's a little dumbass. This is EXPLICITLY FUCKING STATED IN THE FUCKING EPISODE!?

>WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU /CO/, WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING HORRIBLE??? THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD IS HORRIBLE SHIT! WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM!?

>>97209

Actually this one is a better summary with 200% more chanspeak:

>So lets see now.
>First Avatar series airs, fuck tarded fanbase full of shipperfags and grimdark fags shitting up threads or making shitty threads.

>Legend of Korra hasn't even aired yet and so far we've got :
Shipperfags and "anti feminizm fags" raging because of a tough female MC. This is the new retardation of an incredibly SHITTY FANBASE. i am staying so very far from you dumb fucks when this shit airs. Whether it's grimdark fags, anti fem, ZOOtards, you're all the fucking same.

>You can enjoy a cool show for what it is, you have to over analyze shit, or bring your lame ass political views into an action show. Fuck this shitty fanbase, this is why we can't have nice things...

This doesn't apply to this board, of course, just regular /co/

My favorite so far...


>mfw a 'good role model for girls' is an arrogant bitch with no respect for anyone

>As soon as I saw her reply to the chief I knew instantly what this character was going to be: a character that, had they been male, would be despised by everyone.

>And before you say 'perhaps she'll learn to respect others,' remember she is a female, and it's considered sexist to point out any flaws they have.

Bravo, bravo....stay classy, /co/

>>97209
Yeah, that first quote pretty much sums up what I felt.

>>97210
Was just about to post that. Here's another good one:


> 33997979

>> 33997830
>Except that isn't feminism at all. Feminism (when it's not full of shit) has always called for EQUAL treatment, not THE SAME treatment. Those are different things.

>You can't treat a woman exactly like a man, because women and men are different. If you were to treat them exactly the same, you'd have to pretend that women can't have babies (or that men can) because that difference causes a huge amount of difference in how society sees the sexes.

>Which is why the idea has always been "let's treat both genders like they have equal value," not "let's pretend women have cocks."

What's a sensible person like that doing on /co/ anyway?

>>97207

Stuff like that is why I avoid fandom on Tumblr.

That and the endless, endless GIFs.

>>96997
HA! ya stupids...

When Korra airs, I'm going to like just comment occasionally about it and stay far and away from srs bns discussions about it, unless I feel like trolling the folks who just keep on complaining and complaining and complaining.

I've learned long ago that nothing annoys whiners more than seeing happy people.

>>97219
I think I'll try to avoid /co/ for the most part, but this is about the only place online that I discuss Avatar anyway.